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1 year ago ::
Feb 14, 2012 - 11:23PM
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I was talking to my friend about his Kaalia of the Vast  EDH deck and we dawned on Changelings. But then we were looking at the "Tribal Instant" Crib Swap  and wanted to know if Kaalia swinging could bring out this card. Granted, Crib Swap isn't a creature but it has "Changeling" which sort of says it's a creature? Obviously, there are better things to bring out with Kaalia, we just weren't sure if there was some potential here. Also, is there a card that does something along the lines of making all creatures a certain Subtype when in your hand/library/graveyard?
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1 year ago ::
Feb 14, 2012 - 11:37PM
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There was once a combo that put a sorcery into play, but that rules loop hole has since been remedied.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 15, 2012 - 12:37AM
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Instants and sorceries can't enter the battlefield, they put that into the rules, so no, Kaalia can't bring out Crib Swap . Conspiracy  Ashes of the Fallen 
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1 year ago ::
Feb 15, 2012 - 1:09AM
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1 year ago ::
Feb 15, 2012 - 1:23AM
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Haakon  too, though probably doesn't have a place in Kaalia.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 15, 2012 - 1:29AM
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Haakon too, though probably doesn't have a place in Kaalia.
He's excellent fodder for Spellshapers  .
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1 year ago ::
Feb 15, 2012 - 1:30PM
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You might've been thinking of Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero  re: putting instants and sorceries on the battlefield. Any Rebel creature or tribal would be legitimate Sivvi-fodder, but it was rewrittten so that only Rebel artifacts, creatures, enchantments, and lands could. (Planeswalkers will never have the subtype rebel, unless you give Gideon Jura  changeling, or do some bizarre Liquimetal Coating  , Karn's Touch  , changeling combo. Or the same thing, with changeling replaced with Conspiracy or Xenograft  .)
Stupid question: If I find a way to give Gideon Jura changeling, what happens? I mean, by state-based effects?
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1 year ago ::
Feb 15, 2012 - 1:46PM
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Date Joined:
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Gideon Jura can only ever be affected by having changeling if he is a creature and/or tribal. If he gets the changeling ability before he becomes a creature/tribal, he still won't have all creature types, just the ones he gets from the effect making him a creature/tribal. If he gets changeling after becoming a creature/tribal he will have all creature types. This is because type changing effects are all applied in the same layer in time stamp order. Though dependency might change that, so the specific scenario could have a different answer. (I guess, that is what you asked, or what did you mean by state based effects?)
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1 year ago ::
Feb 15, 2012 - 1:56PM
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I meant more with subtypes. Is a planeswalker affected if another card shares a subtype with it? So, let's say I give Gideon changeling. But there's another creature in play that hasn't been hit with Nameless Inversion  and isn't Nameless Race  or a face-down morph card. (Or an animated artifact, enchantment, or land missing a subtype.) What happens? I love cards that muddy the boundaries between types, but Gideon's a bit of a headache. To be fair, so is animating an equipment  .
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1 year ago ::
Feb 15, 2012 - 2:09PM
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If you give Gideon changeling, it doesn't actually do anything, because of how the layers work. Type changing abilities is applied before ability granting, or something like that. Anyway, let's assume you use Blades of Velis Vel  on gideon. Even if he is now every creature type, the planeswalker uniqueness rules only applies to other planeswalkers, and only to planeswalker types, not creature types. 205.3j Planeswalkers have their own unique set of subtypes; these subtypes are called planeswalker types. The planeswalker types are Ajani, Bolas, Chandra, Elspeth, Garruk, Gideon, Jace, Karn, Koth, Liliana, Nissa, Sarkhan, Sorin, Tezzeret, and Venser. If two or more planeswalkers that share a planeswalker type are on the battlefield, all are put into their owners' graveyards. This "planeswalker uniqueness rule" is a state-based action.
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