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1 year ago ::
Feb 02, 2012 - 2:53AM
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i'd like to know what does not return when using Sudden Disappearance  do tokens return ? and do auras attached to anything come back in the same way attached ?
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1 year ago ::
Feb 02, 2012 - 3:05AM
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Tokens do not return, thanks to the following from the Comprehensive Rules:
110.5g A token that has left the battlefield can‘t move to another zone or come back onto the
battlefield. If such a token would change zones, it remains in its current zone instead. It ceases
to exist the next time state-based actions are checked; see rule 704.
When the exiled Auras return, they can be attached to the same creatures again, or new ones (of their controller's choosing, of course). Note that you can even attach Auras to a creature with shroud this way -- this is because Auras only target as spells on the stack.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 02, 2012 - 3:09AM
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Actually, Auras that come back can't be attached to anything else that's coming back at the same time, because their owner needs to choose what to attach them to as they're about to enter the battlefield, and at that time, nothing has come back yet. The player must choose a legal thing for them to enchant, so if your opponent had a (let's say) Spectral Flight  on one of his creatures, he'll have to put it on a creature that's already on the battlefield when it comes back...even though all that's left are yours. Any Auras that can't be legally attached to anything will remain in exile permanently.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 02, 2012 - 3:52AM
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Date Joined:
Mar 12, 2011
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Also, any card, that leaves exile before the delayed trigger to bring it back resolves ( Riftsweeper  , Pull from Eternity  ), or never went there in the first place (like a commander going to the command zone instead), will not be returned.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 06, 2012 - 12:17PM
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How about creatures with Undying? If I exile my undying creature that had previously returned with a +1/+1 counter on it, will it return to the battlefield without the counter (counters are eliminated right? Just like tokens I believe), thus allowing its trigger ability to activate for a 2nd time once it dies again? Double faced cards always return face up? So in regards to auras, if I exile my cards, and two of them were enchanted with Pacifism  , since those are cards under my opponent's control, would they immediately go to his graveyard instead? What if my creature cards had (mine or his) equipment attached? Thanks y'all, Jason and friends
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1 year ago ::
Feb 06, 2012 - 12:31PM
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How about creatures with Undying? If I exile my undying creature that had previously returned with a +1/+1 counter on it, will it return to the battlefield without the counter (counters are eliminated right? Just like tokens I believe), thus allowing its trigger ability to activate for a 2nd time once it dies again?
Yep
Double faced cards always return face up?
Yep
So in regards to auras, if I exile my cards, and two of them were enchanted with Pacifism , since those are cards under my opponent's control, would they immediately go to his graveyard instead?
Yep
What if my creature cards had (mine or his) equipment attached?
His Equipment would remain on the battlefield, unattached, under his control. Yours would be exiled, then return, unattached, under your control.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 06, 2012 - 12:33PM
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Counters get removed when an object changes zones.
Yes, DFCs always ETB sunny side up (unless an effect is saying otherwise).
Equipment will come back unattached.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 06, 2012 - 12:36PM
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How about creatures with Undying? If I exile my undying creature that had previously returned with a +1/+1 counter on it, will it return to the battlefield without the counter (counters are eliminated right? Just like tokens I believe), thus allowing its trigger ability to activate for a 2nd time once it dies again?
No permanent will take its counters into exile. This is unlike tokens that go there before vanishing, at no time does the card in exile exist with counters. When they return, they will be brand new objects without those counters.
Double faced cards always return face up?
Yes.
So in regards to auras, if I exile my cards, and two of them were enchanted with Pacifism , since those are cards under my opponent's control, would they immediately go to his graveyard instead? What if my creature cards had (mine or his) equipment attached?
The auras will be put into the graveyard as state based actions for not enchanting anything. So they end up in the yard alomst (!) immediately. Equipment will be exiled as well (if the targeted player controls it), but cards in exile cannot be equipped. When the equipment returns, it'll be unattached. Equipment the targeted player doesn't control but somehow ended up on his creatures will stay on the field, unattached.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 06, 2012 - 12:58PM
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Cool, thanks guys. So based on zammm's previous post, could I enchant my own creature with Pacifism , exile via Sudden Disappearance , then have the aura return onto the battlefield and be able to attach to my opponent's hexproof or shroud creature, like a Lumberknot  ? I assume if this is possible, it however wouldn't be possible to attach the white aura to protection from white creature, like Phyrexian Crusader  < /span>  . Or could it attach but not do anything? Thx
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1 year ago ::
Feb 06, 2012 - 1:03PM
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No permanent will take its counters into exile.
Just have to nitpick  here...
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