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1 year ago  ::  Jan 30, 2012 - 2:47AM #21
TobyornotToby
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Jan 29, 2012 -- 9:43PM, chronego wrote:

Then why print Thalia as a legendary?




My guess is they didn't want aggro decks to go T2 Thalia, T3 Thalia. 

Jan 29, 2012 -- 9:43PM, chronego wrote:

1.) You established a cycle of legendary creatures for each tribe, promised us the werewolf inclusion in that cycle was coming, and then didn't actually fulfill that promise (This werewolf doesn't fit the legendary cycle, it fits the mythic, two-colored monster cycle in DKA only; You violated your promise, whether you see it that way or not).




The funny thing is, the Zombie card from this cycle is Army of the Damned , which is what MaRo said when he teased and previewed it. But by making Grimgrin, nobody sees the cycle MaRo intended. 

Jan 29, 2012 -- 9:43PM, chronego wrote:

You pulled dragons out of Lorwyn for not fitting... why couldn't you do it again?




Interesting question, I wonder whether not having dragons there came back too negative in their godbook studies. 


Jan 30, 2012 -- 12:57AM, T.MARTIN wrote:

Are you serious for even 1 second ? Triskelavus (or whatever her name is) is instant win with Mikaeus ... What combos do you wish to prevent ? Gaining 2 life for 2 mana ... So powerful ... yeah I'll do that instead of infinite damage to my opponent ...



 
The thing with cards like Triskelion and Intruder Alarm is, it's very hard not to go infinite with them. So it's better to just disgerard those. It's a 2-card combo with Mikaeus. But it gives the +1/+1 to make the other 1000 combos possible with it harder and thus more interesting. 


Jan 29, 2012 -- 9:13PM, Nyktos wrote:

The one thing that bugs me about the dragons is that you could've made a real attempt to make them scary. I mean, when you get down to it, dragons are known for terrorizing villages, carrying off young maidens, and eventually being killed by knights in shining armour, but if you never get around to that last part they're pretty scary, and Innistrad seems like it would've been the perfect place to explore that. Balefire Dragon 's art and flavour text kinda lean in that direction, but you could've gone further. There are stories about dragons demanding human sacrifice; the Dark Ascension dragon could've done something with that.




Yeah that would've been awesome. Magic even has the terminology for maidens.
"Sacrifice a human that has never been tapped"

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 30, 2012 - 3:13AM #22
Stigma_Lasher
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So, they could have simply gone

Legendary Human Werewolf ?
Legendary Creature - Human Werewolf
Blahblah
WW Transformation Trigger
?/? 

//

Transformed Legend Werewolf
(R/G) Legendary Creature - Werewolf
Awesome effect
Whenever a Human Werewolf enters the battlefield, transform it.
WW Transformation Trigger
His mere presence triggers the power of the full moon and the fury of the wild.
?/?      

There, problem solved, you can never have 2 copies on the battlefield, because the day side will immediate transform if the night-side is active. Sure, I made it affect across the board, but all that does is ADD MORE FLAVOR. Werewolf transformations are forced, not by choice, so even though my opponent doesn't want that (although that's nearly impossible), he'll have to take it.
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 30, 2012 - 3:54AM #23
Qilong
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Jan 30, 2012 -- 2:47AM, TobyornotToby wrote:

Yeah that would've been awesome. Magic even has the terminology for maidens.

"Sacrifice a human that has never been tapped"



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"Possibilities abound, too numerous to count."

"Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969)

"Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or his new way of looking at things." --- Zapp Brannigan (Beast With a Billion Backs)
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 30, 2012 - 4:11AM #24
alextfish
Date Joined: Mar 16, 2004
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could care less about Commander or flavor


Ggrrrargh. couldn't care less. If they "could care less", then that means they do care. Graarrgh.

I so much prefer talking about horror in print because every time I'm interviewed about it, it always sounds like I'm talking about a completely different topic—one not appropriate for a family-friendly column like this.


...? I don't follow this. Do MaRo's comments on horror sound like he's talking about porn or something? Anyone know what he means here?

I particularly like the boosting of Humans versus the boosting of non-Humans


Oops. Looks like that bit was cut in development. Mikaeus, the Lunarch doesn't care about Humans.


On the hot topics: I think DFCs are generally an abomination, but if you had to have them, then yes, the Huntmaster should have been legendary. That'd be a restriction within which some creativity could have been exercised - for example, Stigma Lasher's post above.

As for Dragons, I don't find dragons on Innistrad kills the flavour of the plane, but the cards do feel somewhat out of place; especially with how utterly boringly cookie-cutter they are. I think this guy's signature on MTGSalvation puts it best:


Obligatory Dragon (M) 
Creature - Dragon 
Flying 
Tokenism (This card exists to fulfill a quota.) 
Whenever Obligatory Dragon attacks, I dunno, maybe it deals damage to something or other. The automated Dragon Dispenser broke down and no one here knows how to design a Dragon card while sober. Hey, tell you what, try attacking with this thing and then shoot us an email to tell us what happens. We'll probably print it in a Core Set. 
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 30, 2012 - 5:31AM #25
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Jan 30, 2012 -- 2:47AM, TobyornotToby wrote:


Yeah that would've been awesome. Magic even has the terminology for maidens.
"Sacrifice a human that has never been tapped"




This has memory issues, sadly. "Entered the battlefield this turn" would work, although a card with that clause on it would probably be terrible.

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 30, 2012 - 6:51AM #26
dude1818
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Jan 30, 2012 -- 5:31AM, turnip_song wrote:

Jan 30, 2012 -- 2:47AM, TobyornotToby wrote:


Yeah that would've been awesome. Magic even has the terminology for maidens.
"Sacrifice a human that has never been tapped"



This has memory issues, sadly. "Entered the battlefield this turn" would work, although a card with that clause on it would probably be terrible.



Um... Not that meaning of "tapped," methinks.

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 30, 2012 - 7:00AM #27
Qilong
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Jan 30, 2012 -- 5:31AM, turnip_song wrote:

Jan 30, 2012 -- 2:47AM, TobyornotToby wrote:


Yeah that would've been awesome. Magic even has the terminology for maidens.
"Sacrifice a human that has never been tapped"




This has memory issues, sadly. "Entered the battlefield this turn" would work, although a card with that clause on it would probably be terrible.




You need a brief lesson in cultural euphemisms, methinks

"Possibilities abound, too numerous to count."

"Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969)

"Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or his new way of looking at things." --- Zapp Brannigan (Beast With a Billion Backs)
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 30, 2012 - 7:43AM #28
Dune_Echo
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Jan 29, 2012 -- 9:38PM, Nyktos wrote:

Eh, none of the white rares really feel more "mythic" than does Archangel's Light. I kinda wish they'd just reprinted Ancestral Tribute instead of making a new version that has antisynergy with block though.



I opened this as part of my Sealed pool this weekend and I cannot agree enough.  The card is so uninspiring and disinteresting.  I really wish there was a refund program where I could turn this in for a booster pack.  Actually, I'd rather have one of the uncommon captains instead of this.

Aug 28, 2011 -- 8:43PM, Mystical_Tutor wrote:

I knew the attempt to "make the game simpler and more [accessible] to new players" would get forgotten and it sure didn't take long. 

Gary Adkison

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 30, 2012 - 9:10AM #29
Shiny_Umbreon
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I don't think complaining about Archangel's Light will get anywhere. Bad mythics exist, holes in the set will exist. And I think that the fact that you gain life equal to twice the number of cards in your graveyard, plus shuffling it into your library makes the card "rarer". The same way a rare card could have been uncommon, some mythic cards could have been rare. Personally, I'm glad a mythic so obviously bad was printed. It was about time.

About Huntmaster of the Fells , what MaRo said is really true. Some people like it, some don't. I dislike that Commanders need to be legendary because it goes against what Magic design is usually about (that is, not making every single cool build-around-me creature legendary). And, yes, there are still people that play non-Commander Casual and do want 4 Huntmasters in their deck without having dead draws. Also, not having Huntmaster as a legendary means at least someone will try to make Werewolves work in Constructed.

Also be aware that even if one group (the one that wants it to be legendary) has more/better arguments than the other group (who wants to play four of these guilt-free) it doesn't mean the first group should have its way every single time. 
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 30, 2012 - 9:21AM #30
veloxiraptor
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Well, allow me to speak from the PoV of a "dragon lover" who wholly supports the idea of Dragons for the sake of Dragons.  What is so frustrating to me about WotC's approach to red Dragons is that, even though they make them functionally different, they still FEEL like the same.  I think I've said once that they seem like they're sprayed out of an aerosol can.  (This is not true of the Dragons that AREN'T red or mono-red, because they are actually a very diverse bunch!)

Red is already the shallowest color in terms of ability pool, but red Dragons are much shallower still.  You look at blue Sphinxes and white Angels, and all the things they are allowed to do, then you look at red Dragons and realize they are pretty much limited to "burn one or more creatures" and "firebreathing" or even both at once as on Mordant Dragon .  At best you can maybe add "care about artifacts in play" as a third thanks to the Mirrodin sets, but bottom line, the variety isn't there.  ( Hellkite Charger and Hoarding Dragon are possibly the most interesting mono-red Dragons to be printed in the last decade, because at least they offer things you don't often see.  Still doesn't mean they were good cards though.)

I think M12 was the most poignant example of how creatively stagnant red Dragons are.  Every color in M12 got a big Intro Pack beastie at rare.  All of them were brand-new cards, EXCEPT for Red's, which was just a reprint of Flameblast Dragon .  Really?  Are they rationing or something?  It's not like WotC would even have to break Red's pie to give us a red Dragon that's intriguing to more than just the trade-binder crowd. 

-Why isn't there a red Dragon that can destroy lands?  (Even if that means nonbasic ones?) 
-Why isn't there a red Dragon that is uncounterable with pro-white and pro-blue?  (That might actually have Constructed applications!) 
-And if Intimidate is really in Red's pie like MaRo claims, then isn't a Dragon the perfect platform for it?  Hell yes put flying and intimidate together.  If you're not going to give them any immediate board impact, and you're not going to make them hard to counter, exile, or kill, then you MAY AS WELL make them hard to block!
Obligatory Dragon (M)

Creature - Dragon
Flying
Tokenism (This card exists to fulfill a quota.)
Whenever Obligatory Dragon attacks, I dunno, maybe it deals damage to something or other. The automated Dragon Dispenser broke down and no one here knows how to design a Dragon card while sober. Hey, tell you what, try attacking with this thing and then shoot us an email to tell us what happens. We'll probably print it in a Core Set.
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