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Switch to Forum Live View 01/25/2012 Stf: "The State of the Faith"
1 year ago  ::  Jan 24, 2012 - 5:18PM #1
Garmichael
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Savor the Flavor, which goes live Wednesday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 24, 2012 - 9:16PM #2
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Magic as a trading card game is not really in the business of having spells you can only cast ONCE EVER





Well, there are two examples


Blacker Lotus


Chaos Confetti      

'I have had players complain about having extra rares in a pack. I’ve had players complain about getting free things. I have had players complain because they liked something “too much”.' - Mark Rosewater's Twitter, May 7th, 2013
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 24, 2012 - 9:26PM #3
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Very interesting response to the letter, other than that an alright article but nothing amazing.
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 24, 2012 - 9:41PM #4
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In reading about Avacyn's creation, I keep finding myself wondering one thing: was the church (or at least the really high-ranking clergy) aware of Avacyn's artificial nature? And if so, were they aware of the identity of her progenitor?
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And so people say to me, "How do I know if a word is real?" You know, anyone who's read a children's book knows that love makes things real. If you love a word, use it! That makes it real. Being in the dictionary is an artificial distinction; it doesn't make the word any more real than any other word. If you love a word, it becomes real.
--Erin McKean, Redefining the Dictionary
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 24, 2012 - 9:44PM #5
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Don't dis the "little toe" as some unimportant body part.  Without it, people walk awfully strange.  It seems small, but it's incredibly important and underappreciated.
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 24, 2012 - 9:46PM #6
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It's nice to see that even pre-mending walkers had their limits and creating Avacyn was a stretch even for Sorin Markov.
My question is whether post-mending Sorin is now less powerful than his own angelic masterwork. That could lead to some rather interesting interactions depending on how Avacyn views her progenitor.
I would also like to entertain the notion that instead of giving up part of himself  Sorin had to gain something, something akin to a soul. My theory's a little out there I'll admit but I rather like the flavourful implications. A creature of darkness moved to make a deal with the angels (so to speak) out of cold logic. The Faustian deal to allow one's self to be corrupted for the greater good is a powerful trope, but the reverse is something I've never encountered before and it raises all sorts of tricky moral questions. From now on I'm using this rationale to justify  less-than-vile acts Sorin may commit.
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 24, 2012 - 10:07PM #7
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TPmanW: I like that thought. Avacyn did seem to be the real deal: actually altruistic, as opposed to Angel of Despair . Just like how an artist can only create beauty if they have it in their heart, perhaps Sorin had to open himself up to a epiphany in order to create Avacyn. Either that, or he was the beggar who killed Serra and Avacyn is just her zombie.

 

Jan 24, 2012 -- 9:41PM, zammm wrote:

In reading about Avacyn's creation, I keep finding myself wondering one thing: was the church (or at least the really high-ranking clergy) aware of Avacyn's artificial nature? And if so, were they aware of the identity of her progenitor?




It would be interesting for the Church to have a Gnostic sect within it ("Sorin is the Demiurge!"), but I'm sure that's something that both Avacyn and Sorin would have tried to surpress. It seems that high-ranking vampires knew of it, but I think that this would just make the Church more skeptical of that claim if it came from bloodsuckers.

And even if they knew it (or especially if they knew), they would surpress it to the level of wiping it out from the official records and swearing those who know to not pass it down to future generations. The current situation highlights how important faith is to the religion. In some ways, I think that the loss of Avacyn wouldn't have been so detrimental if the people didn't place their faith so much on her deeds and presence. All her hands-on work made people dependent on her being there instead of them doing it themselves. If Avacyn trained more than she helped directly, her absence wouldn't have been so traumatic.       

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 25, 2012 - 12:04AM #8
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With regards to the Letter of the Week, the only analogy I could draw is that Sorin won the Multiversal equivalent of the Magic Invitational.
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 25, 2012 - 1:23AM #9
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Jan 24, 2012 -- 9:44PM, Dragon_Bloodthirsty wrote:

Don't dis the "little toe" as some unimportant body part.  Without it, people walk awfully strange.  It seems small, but it's incredibly important and underappreciated.




But aren't a lot of models taking it off to fit into shoes better?

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 25, 2012 - 1:45AM #10
zammm
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Jan 25, 2012 -- 1:23AM, TobyornotToby wrote:

But aren't a lot of models taking it off to fit into shoes better?


Models aren't exactly the poster children for "walking normally".

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And so people say to me, "How do I know if a word is real?" You know, anyone who's read a children's book knows that love makes things real. If you love a word, use it! That makes it real. Being in the dictionary is an artificial distinction; it doesn't make the word any more real than any other word. If you love a word, it becomes real.
--Erin McKean, Redefining the Dictionary
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