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Switch to Forum Live View 01/25/2012 Stf: "The State of the Faith"
1 year ago  ::  Jan 25, 2012 - 7:26AM #11
Dragon_Nut
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I would argue that Magic has several examples of spells cast at great cost . Seriously, that's not at all a non-magical concept, you just have to view it from the perspective of having to sacrifice resources in a single game.

So we have confirmation Sorin was a pre-mending 'walker. I really want to see the interaction between Avacyn and Sorin now, especially because, as a poster above pointed out, she's probably more powerful than he is now. That sounds like it could lead to a very interetsing relationship between the two.

Bonus points if Sorin forgot to ensure Avacyn knew who he was. 
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 25, 2012 - 7:54AM #12
SpencerMcCuhluh
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I liked the article; it's news to me that Avacyn is trapped in a rock.

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 25, 2012 - 6:02PM #13
ProfN
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Odd how short our memories are these days.  Has everyone but me forgotten that Sorin was among the planeswalkers who crafted the Eye of Ugin, the spiritual prison that shackled the Eldrazi on Zendikar, millennia ago?  Eye of Ugin is Legendary, so clearly creating it was also a "once only spell".  And clearly, a planeswalker can do multiple such tremendous acts in their lifetime.

Other examples include, obviously, Serra's realm; Karn creating Mirrodin and turning the Mirari into Memnarch; Urza creating Karn himself, the one and only truly sentient artificial being that we know of, as well as the unprecedented feat of transferring his spark to that being; Teferi's noble sacrifice of his spark to help save Dominaria; Liliana's veil-wrought curse upon Garruk (it was strong enough to permanently alter his form and color allegiance), and Bolas's creation of his own pocket plane (remember Bolas's Meditation Realm from Planechase?) and re-engineering the beaten husk of an Esperite named Tezzeret into a new and improved Planeswalker with an altered color allegiance.

Turns out such titanic, once-ever magic is something most planeswalkers try their hand at eventually, given enough time.  What I'd like to see someday is a card or location that represents the failure of such an attempt:  a botched or abandoned "planar spell" (my name; "Epic" is already taken). 

@Dragon_Nut:  she may be more powerful / be represented by a higher mana cost, but she will still just be Legendary Creature - Angel (maybe Angel Warrior or Angel Cleric), and he will still be a Planeswalker.  Yeah, maybe she can deplete his Loyalty in one swing.  But story-wise, all that represents is that Sorin has taken enough pain / done enough work that he's lost interest and decided to 'walk away, where she can never catch him.  PW > Creature, always and forever, and relative numeric power levels in the card game has no bearing on it.  :P 
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 25, 2012 - 7:29PM #14
Raedien
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All this is nice...but why would Sorin ever let the other Vampires find out he created an archangel to combat them in the first place?
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 25, 2012 - 7:39PM #15
phyrexiantrygon
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That's a good point... but i think he just doesnt CARE. He's 100000+ times more powerful, and feels like they've been lording it over the humans too long. and I honestly think he feels BAD that his grandfather caused all the problems (or at least most) on innistrad. So he's going to fix it, and **** what the others think.
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 25, 2012 - 10:06PM #16
Alter_Boy
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Jan 25, 2012 -- 7:29PM, Raedien wrote:

All this is nice...but why would Sorin ever let the other Vampires find out he created an archangel to combat them in the first place?




Perhaps he also told them why he did it (to ensure that vampirekind wouldn't overharvest its food source) so that they wouldn't muck up his little eco-system, and force him to be more draconian.

"If you don't like my Angel, perhaps you'd prefer my newest invention: Garlic Elementals."    

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 26, 2012 - 1:40AM #17
TobyornotToby
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Jan 25, 2012 -- 6:02PM, ProfN wrote:

and Bolas's creation of his own pocket plane (remember Bolas's Meditation Realm from Planechase?)




You mean from Kamigawa =D
EDIT: I'm wrong 

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 26, 2012 - 3:30AM #18
GreenBuster
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Jan 26, 2012 -- 1:40AM, TobyornotToby wrote:

Jan 25, 2012 -- 6:02PM, ProfN wrote:

and Bolas's creation of his own pocket plane (remember Bolas's Meditation Realm from Planechase?)




You mean from Kamigawa =D




What does Kamigawa have to do with Bolas's Meditation Realm?

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 26, 2012 - 3:36AM #19
TobyornotToby
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Jan 26, 2012 -- 3:30AM, GreenBuster wrote:

Jan 26, 2012 -- 1:40AM, TobyornotToby wrote:

Jan 25, 2012 -- 6:02PM, ProfN wrote:

and Bolas's creation of his own pocket plane (remember Bolas's Meditation Realm from Planechase?)




You mean from Kamigawa =D




What does Kamigawa have to do with Bolas's Meditation Realm?




Oops, seems I have mistaken Toshiro Umezawa for Tetsuo Umezawa

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 31, 2012 - 12:30AM #20
Rockeros
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Creating all-powerful angels seems to actually be a pretty common experience. Ixidor busted out an Akroma Angel of Wrath without even being a planeswalker. When it comes to stomping the dark-mana out of a demon, Akroma is probably the angel to get it done.
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