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1 year ago  ::  Jan 20, 2012 - 8:31PM #31
metroidcomposite
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Jan 20, 2012 -- 6:01PM, Keino wrote:

but imagine the fastest zombie deck you can think of



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Jan 20, 2012 -- 6:01PM, Keino wrote:

, then throw this guy in there. How much does he help/hinder the rest of the deck? I wouldn't even run 1 of these in the slowest of zombie decks, that's what I'm thinking. 



Hurts the deck quite a bit, of course.  4 mana card that doesn't do anything until you untap with it.

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 20, 2012 - 9:40PM #32
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A monoblack aggro deck isn't fast until it attacks for 21 on turn 2 .
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 21, 2012 - 9:42PM #33
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Date Joined: Sep 23, 2011
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Game 2 you could side out your mikaeus unhallowed for this guy when you think they'll put in the cage. If you're doing zombies that is.
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1 year ago  ::  Jan 21, 2012 - 9:50PM #34
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Jan 20, 2012 -- 8:07PM, jedi123 wrote:

Jan 19, 2012 -- 10:11AM, DarkAvatar1018 wrote:

 
Ignoring the additional cost of exiling a creature,




Jan 20, 2012 -- 6:01PM, Keino wrote:

Let's see...

Costs 4
Ability costs 3 and tap
Exiles a critter for a 2/2 zombie
+1/+1 counter on zombies you control
IS BLUE




The exiled creature is from the graveyard not play. Except the new one drop and skaab ruinator I ca't think of any other zombies that pull themselves out of the graveyard. And you wouldn't exile a  creature you planned to reanimate if you are running reanimation. I don't see why this particular cost is a problem. There is that one that gets bigger off of zombies in play and yard, but you are trading a zombie in the yard for one in play and adding a counter on top of it. Now if they kill the tokens that card can't feed of them like they could the card removed, so maybe that's an issue.



The problem isn't necessarily which creatures you're exiling from the graveyard, it's how you're getting those creatures there in the first place. If you're playing self-mill in a Zombie aggro deck, you're probably doing it wrong. And if you're hoping your opponent will kill enough of your creatures that your Dr. Frankenstein will have a good use, you're definitely doing it wrong. I'm sure there is a middle road where you could be playing an aggressive deck with a sacrifice sub-theme for things like Grimgrin or Falkenrath Aristocrat, but that would take a very specific set of cards to work effectively, and I just don't see it happening.

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 22, 2012 - 5:52AM #35
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Jan 21, 2012 -- 9:50PM, DarkAvatar1018 wrote:


The problem isn't necessarily which creatures you're exiling from the graveyard, it's how you're getting those creatures there in the first place. If you're playing self-mill in a Zombie aggro deck, you're probably doing it wrong. And if you're hoping your opponent will kill enough of your creatures that your Dr. Frankenstein will have a good use, you're definitely doing it wrong. I'm sure there is a middle road where you could be playing an aggressive deck with a sacrifice sub-theme for things like Grimgrin or Falkenrath Aristocrat, but that would take a very specific set of cards to work effectively, and I just don't see it happening.




That makes a lot more sense.

If you are in U/B anyways there are some decent cards that are worth it and provide self mill. Thought Scour, Forbidden Alchemy, maybe even that mana ramp self mill. They could help play into it, and are good anyways. And while you don't plan to have your creatures die, you know they will.

However my interest in this is mostly for a Grimgrin EDH deack. Most likely won't make it in constructed. 


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1 year ago  ::  Jan 22, 2012 - 7:31PM #36
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Looks like a bomb in limited but it's way too slow for constructed decks.
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