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1 year ago ::
Jan 18, 2012 - 12:15PM
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Hi all, If my opponent summons a Gatekeeper of Malakir  (during casual play) and I am forced to sacrifice one of my creatures, if I sacrifice Fume Spitter  may I also use his sacrifice ability to put a -1/-1 counter on his Gatekeeper? Thanks, Jason
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1 year ago ::
Jan 18, 2012 - 12:17PM
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You can sacrifice your fume spitter during the resolution of Gatekeeper of Malakir's ability. Or you can sacrifice it to pay the cost of activating it's ability. You can't do both.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 18, 2012 - 12:18PM
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If my opponent summons a Gatekeeper of Malakir (during casual play) and I am forced to sacrifice one of my creatures, if I sacrifice Fume Spitter may I also use his sacrifice ability to put a -1/-1 counter on his Gatekeeper?
When gatekeepr of malakir enters the battlefield, it's ability triggers (assuming it was kicked). If you wish, you can respond to this ability by using fume spitter's ability. However, responding in this manner does not satisfy the gatekeeper's ability. When the gatekeeper's ability eventually resolves, you will have to sacrifice some other creature (unless you have no creatures).
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1 year ago ::
Jan 18, 2012 - 12:18PM
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No you cannot. You cannot sacrifice one creature to two effects. You can either sacrifice the Spitter to its own ability or to satisfy the Gatekeeper's trigger, not both at once (note that if the Spitter was your only creature, you could respond to the Gatekeeper's trigger by sacing the Spitter to put a counter on the Gatekeeper. Since you don't control any other creatures, then you wouldn't have to sac anything).
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1 year ago ::
Jan 18, 2012 - 12:28PM
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When gatekeepr of malakir enters the battlefield, it's ability triggers (assuming it was kicked). If you wish, you can respond to this ability by using fume spitter's ability. However, responding in this manner does not satisfy the gatekeeper's ability. When the gatekeeper's ability eventually resolves, you will have to sacrifice some other creature (unless you have no creatures).
When you say respond to this ability, do you mean play Fume Spitter 's ability while his Gatekeeper of Malakir is still on the stack durring summoning?
So hypothetically, if Fume Spitter 's ability was -2/-2 instead of -1/-1, if my opponent casts his Gatekeeper (and kicks it), it gets put on the stack, then I play Fume Spitter's sacrifice ability, it gets put on top of the stack... it resolves first eliminating his Gatekeeper before it resolves? Wait that doesn't work because his Gatekeeper is still a spell and not a creature yet, correct?
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1 year ago ::
Jan 18, 2012 - 12:29PM
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You can't cast spells or activate abilities during the resolution of a spell or ability. There are two exceptions. 1) the spell/ability instructs you do do so eg. Brilliant Ultimatum  , cascade, Djinn of Wishes  2) activating mana abilities to pay mana costs required for the resolving spell/ability eg. Rings of Brighthearth  so you can use Spitter before, but you'll still have to sac a creature to gatekeeper if you have one or you can sac Sitter to the Gatekeeper effect. Regarding your followup question. Gatekeeper's ability triggers after he enter the field (so he is on the field as a legal target for Spitter) Note: destroying/bouncing/exiling Gatekeeper will not remove the triggered ability (though Stifle  could)
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1 year ago ::
Jan 18, 2012 - 12:31PM
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If you have ONLY ONE creature and that creature is Fume Spitter,
then it is a very good idea to sacrifice it to put a -1/-1 counter on Malakir.
But if you have more than one creature, you WILL have to satisfy Malakir's sacrifice,
whether or not you use Fume Spitter's ability.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 18, 2012 - 12:31PM
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When you say respond to this ability, do you mean play Fume Spitter 's ability while his Gatekeeper of Malakir is still on the stack durring summoning?
No, i meant wait until the gatekeeper enters the battlefield and his triggered ability gets put on the stack. If you respond while the gatekeeper is still on the stack, then the gatekeeper is not a legal target for fume spitter's ability.
Wait that doesn't work because his Gatekeeper is still a spell and not a creature yet, correct?
Correct.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 18, 2012 - 12:32PM
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When gatekeepr of malakir enters the battlefield, it's ability triggers (assuming it was kicked). If you wish, you can respond to this ability by using fume spitter's ability. However, responding in this manner does not satisfy the gatekeeper's ability. When the gatekeeper's ability eventually resolves, you will have to sacrifice some other creature (unless you have no creatures).
When you say respond to this ability, do you mean play Fume Spitter 's ability while his Gatekeeper of Malakir is still on the stack durring summoning?
So hypothetically, if Fume Spitter 's ability was -2/-2 instead of -1/-1, if my opponent casts his Gatekeeper (and kicks it), it gets put on the stack, then I play Fume Spitter's sacrifice ability, it gets put on top of the stack... it resolves first eliminating his Gatekeeper before it resolves? Wait that doesn't work because his Gatekeeper is still a spell and not a creature yet, correct?
He's not suggesting to use the fume spitter when the gatekeeper is one the stack. He suggesting that you use the ability after the gatekeeper has resolved, while it's triggered ability is on the stack.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 18, 2012 - 12:43PM
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He's not suggesting to use the fume spitter when the gatekeeper is one the stack. He suggesting that you use the ability after the gatekeeper has resolved, while it's triggered ability is on the stack.
What a crucial, fundamental difference. Let me see if I have this correct. So, when Gatekeeper summoning resolves, then it's triggered ability is now put on the stack, in which case I am given priority to respond (or is it still my opponent's priority?). If, as an earlier poster said, I only had Fume Spitter on the battlefield, I could play his sacrifice ability and put that on the stack. It would resolve, allowing me to put a -1/-1 counter on one of his creatures, and then Gatekeeper's triggered ability would not resolve.
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