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1 year ago ::
Jan 09, 2012 - 11:33AM
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Thanks everyone for their participation in the Dark Ascension version of this thread. You guys found some good stuff, but we've run out of time to look at things for the Dark Ascension update, and we now turn our gaze toward the Avacyn Restored update in May.
Do you think a card's Oracle wording needs review? Is there an old ruling in Gatherer that is no longer correct? This thread is the best way to let me know about it so it can be reviewed for the Avacyn Restored update.
As a reminder, this thread is for Oracle or ruling content only. Technical errors should continue to be reported using the "Providing Feedback" entry under the Help section of Gatherer.
Thanks again everyone for their help!
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1 year ago ::
Jan 10, 2012 - 7:06AM
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A more general question for these types of threads: Would we be correct to assume that anything that was posted in the Dark Ascension thread has been considered? I.e. if someone posted an idea but it is not changed in the DKA update, then it is not worth reposting that suggestion unless some philoshophical / rules change happens that reopens the issue?
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1 year ago ::
Jan 10, 2012 - 10:34AM
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Yes. I will read and consider every post in the DKA thread. If we don't follow-up on a suggestion made there, it's worth posting about here again. If possible, I'll try to respond and explain what's going on as best I can. I can't promise I'll be able to explain everything to everyone's satisfaction, but I'll try. 
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1 year ago ::
Jan 10, 2012 - 11:30PM
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1 year ago ::
Jan 10, 2012 - 11:39PM
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Blazing Effigy  still doesn't match its printed text.
I made a thread in case it wasn't noticed.
I'm surprised you were able to make it through the printed text alive. I believe its Oracle text may be irrelevant because, to my knowledge, no physical copies exist. They've all been burned in frustration by their previous owners.
While the previous paragraph may be a joke, it does touch upon a fine reason to not change a card: because doing so would remind people outside this forum it exists.
Okay, previous paragraph may be a joke too. Alas...
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1 year ago ::
Jan 11, 2012 - 9:36AM
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Goth, the key to achieving accuracy vs. printed text is to come up with something for "in this manner", so that you can't use something like Soul's Fire  or Fight to get extra damage. All that should count is damage from the triggered ability. Edit: Goth ninja-deleted. I'm keeping my response. 
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1 year ago ::
Jan 11, 2012 - 9:37AM
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Proposed When Blazing Effigy dies, it deals X damage to target creature, where X is 3 times the number of creatures named Blazing Effigy that were both damaged this turn by another source named Blazing Effigy and died this turn.
No, that's further from the printed text. This way, if you had 2 Effigies and I had 2 Effigies, you hit me with a Balefire Dragon  , and I pointed my death triggers at your 2, then each of your 2 would get pumped by 6 rather than by 3...
You know, for all those Blazing Effigy .dec mirror matches that occur every day...
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1 year ago ::
Jan 11, 2012 - 9:37AM
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Goth, the key to achieving accuracy vs. printed text is to come up with something for "in this manner", so that you can't use something like Soul's Fire or Fight to get extra damage. All that should count is damage from the triggered ability.
Edit: Goth ninja-deleted. I'm keeping my response.
yeah I realized that after the fact and killed it
it seems the intent is to chain them up, 1 kills the next which makes the next trigger larger
it'd be a functional change, but why not just have a sac exile option in the trigger?
When Blazing Effigy dies, you may exile any number of creatures named Blazing Effigy. Blazing Effigy deals X damage to target creature where X is 3 plus 3 for each Blazing Effigy exiled. Put all cards named Blazing Effigy exiled this way in their owner's graveyard.
wait that'd trigger the others which we don't want...
hmm exile and then put them in the yard...
gah. that doesn't work either...
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1 year ago ::
Jan 11, 2012 - 9:51AM
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How about using counters to keep track of the damage from the triggered ability? When Blazing Effigy dies, put X plus 3 burn counters on target creature and Blazing Effigy deals that much damage to that creature, where X is the number of burn counters on Blazing Effigy. Remove all burn counters from all permanents at end of turn. Edit: Nevermind. Changed functionality under Doubling Season  et al. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 11, 2012 - 10:00AM
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How about using counters to keep track of the damage from the triggered ability?
When Blazing Effigy dies, put X plus 3 burn counters on target creature and Blazing Effigy deals that much damage to that creature, where X is the number of burn counters on Blazing Effigy. Remove all burn counters from all permanents at end of turn.
Edit: Nevermind. Changed functionality under Doubling Season et al. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
I've got it!
When blazing effigy dies, target creature gains X + 3 instances of Substance until end of turn and blazing effigy deals that much damage to that creature, where X is the number of instances of Substance Blazing effigy has.
Now who could ever complain about that wording? 
(oh, god, i hope people realize this isn't a serious suggestion...)
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