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Flag CadaverousBl00m January 8, 2012 9:17 PM PST


Chalice of Life (Uncommon) -
Artifact
: You gain 1 life. Then if you have at least 10 life more than your starting life total, transform Chalice of Life.
The sweet taste of hope's promise.

Chalice of Death
: Target player loses 5 life.
The bitter taste of life's only certainty.
Flag RPJesus January 8, 2012 9:21 PM PST
Oh hay, did one of the people [Debutantes avert your eyes]ing about how cards work different in different formats get on the design team? I mean he traditional version of this card would be pretty stupid in EDH, but the format is also a lot more rife with artifact hate, but it's a cool card either way, so whatevs.
Flag JohnnyComeLately January 8, 2012 9:22 PM PST
Well, life gain decks DO need more wincons, I guess.
Flag CadaverousBl00m January 8, 2012 9:22 PM PST
No kidding.... I hereby name this card "Things We Learnt From Printing Serra Ascendant 101".
Flag Libe January 8, 2012 9:22 PM PST
I'm glad that they finally found a way to make cards like this that aren't immediately retarded in Commander.

Oh, and this card seems cool. It makes me want to make a lifegain deck so I guess it accomplished its mission.
Flag oraymw January 8, 2012 9:23 PM PST
This card is pretty cool. It's uncommon, so I should be able to pick up a few. I'll build a standard deck around this. It won't be good, but I'll like having it
Flag Jahikoi January 8, 2012 9:37 PM PST

Jan 8, 2012 -- 9:22PM, Libe wrote:

I'm glad that they finally found a way to make cards like this that aren't immediately retarded in Commander.

Oh, and this card seems cool. It makes me want to make a lifegain deck so I guess it accomplished its mission.






Felidar isn't ridiculously insane in EDH. It's mostly just a 4/6 lifelink vigilance that makes it good. 

Flag SleetFox January 8, 2012 9:45 PM PST
Non-sucky lifegain decks ahoy!
Flag CommanderGreven January 8, 2012 9:59 PM PST
I think this card is just awesome!
Flag Trolljuju January 8, 2012 11:00 PM PST

Jan 8, 2012 -- 9:59PM, CommanderGreven wrote:

I think this card is just awesome!




This. Automatic 4 of in the life gain deck I want to make now that I've seen this card

Flag MrIndigo January 8, 2012 11:27 PM PST
This seems okay. I'm not sure if it's good enough to replace Pristine Talisman in Standard decks, but it's not bad generally.
Flag Falcon_Uk January 9, 2012 1:56 AM PST
Great for EDH but not sure about anything else.  Maybe a finisher for the Soul Sisters deck?
Flag TEA_DEMON January 9, 2012 2:12 AM PST
gives the spider spawning deck with gnaw to the bone another win con, but i have a feeling it won't be so good in draft.
Flag Glare_of_the_Loxodon January 9, 2012 5:06 AM PST
.... Can't understand the flavor.
Flag LMTRK January 9, 2012 8:26 AM PST
Top marks for the templating change, Wizards! :D

I was one of the people who complained about how poorly cards like Serra Ascendant and Felidar Sovereign translated into formats with different starting life totals, so its nice to see that you listened (or were bothered by the same things, I guess).

Good job.

~ Tim
Flag GoTexans January 9, 2012 9:16 AM PST
Cute card, but not that great.
Flag Lord_of_fuddies January 9, 2012 10:01 AM PST
Comboes well with Wurmcoil Titan
Flag HairlessThoctar January 9, 2012 11:53 AM PST
Darn it, this had so much potential in EDH.

This is sad day...
Flag Mown January 9, 2012 12:00 PM PST
Liking the flavor text.
Flag MarkXero January 9, 2012 3:30 PM PST
I know the art is pretty small scale, but are we seeing Avacyn vs Griselbrand on that chalice? I'm sure all angels look pretty similar at that size, but it *does* look at least a bit Avacyn-y. Griselbrand definitely has the upper hand on the death side.
Flag TwelfthTone January 9, 2012 6:52 PM PST
This is pretty difficult to evaluate, but so far I think this has been pretty well undervalued for limited. Repeatable free lava axes? Sign me up. In a control deck, you stabilize, regain your life, and start bashing for 5. I have a feeling this will show up in standard, as well. I don't think it could replace Pristine Talisman, since the mana is part of what makes using Talisman so good, but I'd keep an eye on it. 4 turn unblockable clocks are generally nothing to sneeze at.
Flag Suudsu2200 January 9, 2012 7:06 PM PST

Jan 9, 2012 -- 6:52PM, TwelfthTone wrote:

This is pretty difficult to evaluate, but so far I think this has been pretty well undervalued for limited. Repeatable free lava axes? Sign me up. In a control deck, you stabilize, regain your life, and start bashing for 5. I have a feeling this will show up in standard, as well. I don't think it could replace Pristine Talisman, since the mana is part of what makes using Talisman so good, but I'd keep an eye on it. 4 turn unblockable clocks are generally nothing to sneeze at.




No one is arguing that lava axing your opponent isn't good, the bad part is that you have to play life gain for this to be any good.

Flag TwelfthTone January 9, 2012 7:30 PM PST

Jan 9, 2012 -- 7:06PM, Suudsu2200 wrote:

No one is arguing that lava axing your opponent isn't good, the bad part is that you have to play life gain for this to be any good.




You know what, I totally misread the card. I somehow thought it said "Gain one, if you have at least 10 life, flip." That made it pretty absurd. As it is, yeah... not so absurd at all.

Flag The_415_Raises_Gs January 9, 2012 7:41 PM PST
This seems fun with lifelinkers.  Probably in a B/W deck...
Flag Suudsu2200 January 9, 2012 7:45 PM PST

Jan 9, 2012 -- 7:30PM, TwelfthTone wrote:

Jan 9, 2012 -- 7:06PM, Suudsu2200 wrote:

No one is arguing that lava axing your opponent isn't good, the bad part is that you have to play life gain for this to be any good.




You know what, I totally misread the card. I somehow thought it said "Gain one, if you have at least 10 life, flip." That made it pretty absurd. As it is, yeah... not so absurd at all.




Well, when you read it like that, this card is just broken beyond repair.

Flag Uhhsam January 9, 2012 10:08 PM PST
bonus points to anyone who says "you chose.. poorly" when you flip it
Flag Dragon_Nut January 9, 2012 11:09 PM PST

Jan 9, 2012 -- 10:08PM, Uhhsam wrote:

bonus points to anyone who says "you chose.. poorly" when you flip it



You do realize that now I have to obtain a copy and flip it at least once JUST so I can do this? Do you see what madness you've unleashed upon the world? I hope you're happy.

Flag Noukkers January 10, 2012 12:39 AM PST

Jan 9, 2012 -- 7:06PM, Suudsu2200 wrote:

Jan 9, 2012 -- 6:52PM, TwelfthTone wrote:

This is pretty difficult to evaluate, but so far I think this has been pretty well undervalued for limited. Repeatable free lava axes? Sign me up. In a control deck, you stabilize, regain your life, and start bashing for 5. I have a feeling this will show up in standard, as well. I don't think it could replace Pristine Talisman, since the mana is part of what makes using Talisman so good, but I'd keep an eye on it. 4 turn unblockable clocks are generally nothing to sneeze at.




No one is arguing that lava axing your opponent isn't good, the bad part is that you have to play life gain for this to be any good.




Playing life gain isn't so bad when you're playing Martyr Proc in modern .

Flag WizWhiteKnight January 10, 2012 12:59 AM PST
In limited I think this might be rather nuts.  Ive seen gnaw to the bone be used to great effect, and if that effect leads to a Lava Axe on a stick...
Flag HairlessThoctar January 10, 2012 6:48 AM PST
If someone ever kills me with this in limited, I will buy them a booster box on the spot.

This is interesting, but I don't think it does anywhere near enough work to ever be pickable in limited.
Flag metroidcomposite January 10, 2012 7:36 AM PST

Jan 10, 2012 -- 6:48AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

If someone ever kills me with this in limited, I will buy them a booster box on the spot.

This is interesting, but I don't think it does anywhere near enough work to ever be pickable in limited.




I don't forsee this flipping in Limited...ever.  I can see it as an obnoxious stall card, though.  

Flag RorixCollector January 16, 2012 7:44 PM PST
Playable in limited in controlling or defensive decks but don't expect it to flip to often.

Constructed it's way to slow and doesn't win you the game when it flips so it's not playable.
Flag Georg51 January 16, 2012 7:58 PM PST
Why hasn't anyone mentioned the synergy here with Tezzy , Pristine Talisman , and Elixir of Immortality ?

I see a Esper Artifact Lifegain deck possibly....
Flag blood77 January 17, 2012 10:56 AM PST
Eh, I was expecting something a little more interesting from the first transforming artifact in the set. Also it promotes the kind of decks I despise more then anything. 
Flag Eonblueapocalypse1 January 17, 2012 11:08 AM PST

Jan 10, 2012 -- 7:36AM, metroidcomposite wrote:

Jan 10, 2012 -- 6:48AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

If someone ever kills me with this in limited, I will buy them a booster box on the spot.

This is interesting, but I don't think it does anywhere near enough work to ever be pickable in limited.




I don't forsee this flipping in Limited...ever.  I can see it as an obnoxious stall card, though.  




While I tend to generally agree, the self-mill Spider Spawning decks in limited are likely to see this flip from time to time, simply for the fact that Gnaw to the Bone has the potential to give some huge chunks of life with a decent creature count and enough enablers.

Flag malpheas January 17, 2012 2:06 PM PST
That tezz2.0 idea seems interesting...  I wonder how that one would look fleshed out...
Flag The_415_Raises_Gs January 18, 2012 4:13 PM PST

Jan 9, 2012 -- 10:08PM, Uhhsam wrote:

bonus points to anyone who says "you chose.. poorly" when you flip it


This equals win times infinity.

EDIT- Also, for those who say this will never flip in Limited, wait til we see the whole set.  Maybe there will be a card that transforms any DFC, like:

Nightside Amulet, , U
Artifact
Sacrifice ~: Transform target permanent. (Only dual-faced cards can be transformed.)

Flag malpheas January 18, 2012 6:43 PM PST
I think this card could be used to great effect in constructed... I may try a standard list for this one with Tezz2.0
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