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1 year ago ::
Jan 03, 2012 - 5:25PM
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Date Joined:
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Building on a Budget, which goes live Wednesday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 03, 2012 - 9:10PM
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Finally, BoaB JVL manages to make a deck where the most expensive cards isare a 4of land, and it's not that expensive! Good job!
"Possibilities abound, too numerous to count."
"Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969)
"Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or his new way of looking at things." --- Zapp Brannigan (Beast With a Billion Backs)
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1 year ago ::
Jan 03, 2012 - 9:18PM
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I appreciate that you're listening to feedback. The first few paragraphs, where you talked about the deck and how it changed over time, picking up new cards that you hadn't considered before, is exactly the right direction. It would have been nice to have seen some of the decklists of older versions, and some playtests with them that led you to change the deck, but you're definitely heading in the right direction. It would increase the length of the article, of course, but looking back at some of the previous authors of this column, long articles are definitely not out of the question. Sometimes there were twenty or more playtests and six different versions of the deck in one article! So don't be afraid of wordiness.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 03, 2012 - 10:57PM
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Block constructed is not something I've gotten into a whole lot. Looks pretty sweet with Innistrad, though, might have to look into it. I like this list even though it doesn't have blue. Blue is fairly weaksause in INN. 
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1 year ago ::
Jan 03, 2012 - 11:05PM
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I've been playing around with something similar online the last few days, and it's a lot of fun, as well as pretty effective for such an inexpensive deck. I think it's biggest problem, in my games at least, is dealing with Garruk in GW tokens and in the various control decks.
I also like Undead Alchemist in the sideboard for the mirror, as that comes up sometimes, and Alchemist just dominates the mirror. (A lot of blue decks have caught on to sideboard Alchemist to deal with this deck, so all your removal probably needs to come in games 2-3 against any deck with islands, as it's very hard to beat a turn 3-4 alchemist unless you kill it).
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1 year ago ::
Jan 04, 2012 - 4:57AM
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So why not just run the deck that has won 2 of the last 3 premiere block events instead of JVL's worse version?
Maindeck:
Creatures
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Instants
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Sorceries
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Basic Lands
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Lands
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Sideboard:
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2 Silent Departure
I like fun, but competitive decks. So I might not play what is optimal but they have normally been tested to have a 2/3 winrate.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 04, 2012 - 4:57AM
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Avacyn's pilgrim actually seems to do very well in this deck.
I would be interested in seeing the mirror match - I wonder if it could be won by milling the opponent out unexpectedly?
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1 year ago ::
Jan 04, 2012 - 5:07AM
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Budget check: 6 Forest = $04 Hinterland Harbor, $3.25 = $13 2 Island = $04 Shimmering Grotto, $0.03 = $04 Woodland Cemetery, $3.50 = $144 Armored Skaab, $0.02 = $0 4 Avacyn's Pilgrim, $0.03 = $04 Boneyard Wurm, $0.05 = $04 Deranged Assistant, $0.02 = $04 Kessig Cagebreakers, $0.50 = $24 Splinterfright, $0.50 = $2 4 Dream Twist, $0.02 = $0 2 Gnaw to the Bone, $0.02 = $04 Mulch, $0.03 = $01 Sever the Bloodline, $0.30 3 Spider Spawning, $0.05 = $02 Unburial Rites, $0.25 = $0.501 Creeping Renaissance = $0.20 2 Gnaw to the Bone = $02 Laboratory Maniac, $0.50 = $14 Naturalize = $02 Ranger's Guile = $03 Sever the Bloodline, $0.30 = $0.90 1 Spider Spawning = $0
Total cost: about $34.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 04, 2012 - 8:48AM
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Another request... it might help to see some of the matches/games where the BoaB decks *don't* win. I'm pretty sure you didn't go 100% with this deck, so what killed it the most? Or maybe a summary of opponent's deck types and win/loss records. It would help to see where the weaknesses are in the decks and what to watch out for at least as much as seeing how the deck does when a game plays out perfectly.
I'd say leave out all of the matches where you lose because you proceed to draw 10 lands in a row after starting with a 4-land hand, or starting with a mulled 2-land hand and not drawing another land until turn 7, but I think that cuts out about 60% of the games in MTGO. (yes, I'm bitter)
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1 year ago ::
Jan 04, 2012 - 10:09AM
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I appreciate that you're listening to feedback. The first few paragraphs, where you talked about the deck and how it changed over time, picking up new cards that you hadn't considered before, is exactly the right direction. It would have been nice to have seen some of the decklists of older versions, and some playtests with them that led you to change the deck, but you're definitely heading in the right direction. It would increase the length of the article, of course, but looking back at some of the previous authors of this column, long articles are definitely not out of the question. Sometimes there were twenty or more playtests and six different versions of the deck in one article! So don't be afraid of wordiness.
I agree.
I realy like the bugdet of this deck.
On the deck,
i think Bloodgift Demon and Skaab Ruinator are nice addition (have no idea about their price), but keep in mind that Skaab Ruinator has negative synergy with Splinterfright. Same goes for
Moldgraf Monstrosity, but it also seems like a fun card for the deck. But all of them make a nice reanimation target.
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