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1 year ago ::
Dec 31, 2011 - 11:19PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 11, 2011
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Happy New Year everyone. I have a question about deathtouch and indestructable. If my Typhoid Rats  which has deathtouch attacks an opponents Manor Gargoyle  which has indestructable, does Typhoid Rats kill Manor Gargoyle? Thank you in advance.
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1 year ago ::
Dec 31, 2011 - 11:20PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 19, 2003
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Happy New Year everyone. I have a question about deathtouch and indestructable. If my Typhoid Rats which has deathtouch attacks an opponents Manor Gargoyle which has indestructable, does Typhoid Rats kill Manor Gargoyle?
Nope.
700.4. If a permanent is indestructible, rules and effects can't destroy it. (See rule 701.6, "Destroy.") Such permanents are not destroyed by lethal damage, and they ignore the lethal-damage state-based action (see rule 704.5g). Rules or effects may cause an indestructible permanent to be sacrificed, put into a graveyard, or exiled.
702.2c A creature with toughness greater than 0 that's been dealt damage by a source with deathtouch since the last time state-based actions were checked is destroyed as a state-based action. See rule 704.
101.2. When a rule or effect allows or directs something to happen, and another effect states that it can't happen, the "can't" effect takes precedence.
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1 year ago ::
Dec 31, 2011 - 11:22PM
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Date Joined:
Mar 13, 2004
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No. Deathtouch says "destroy" but indestructible literally means "can't be destroyed". And in magic when can and can't collide, can't wins.
So the creature can't be destroyed.
… and then, the squirrels came.
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1 year ago ::
Dec 31, 2011 - 11:24PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 11, 2011
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Thank you very much.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 01, 2012 - 10:29AM
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Actually, if you equipped a Typhoid Rats with a Mask of Avacyn  it could. Since Hexproof protects Typhoid Rats from Indestructable, Neutralizing it until after the attack. Thus killing the creature contradicting the fact it's indestructable.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 01, 2012 - 10:32AM
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Date Joined:
Jan 19, 2003
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Since Hexproof protects Typhoid Rats from Indestructable
The ability "Manor Gargoyle is indestructible as long as it has defender." does not target, which you can tell because it doesn't use the word "target". Hexproof will not interactact with manor gargoyle's ability.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 01, 2012 - 10:34AM
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Since Hexproof protects Typhoid Rats from Indestructable
The ability "Manor Gargoyle is indestructible as long as it has defender." does not target, which you can tell because it doesn't use the word "target". Hexproof will not interactact with m anor gargoyle's ability.
I checked this with a veteran member. If A creature with deathtouch AND hexproof fights a creature with Indestructable, the Indestructable creature would still die.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 01, 2012 - 10:35AM
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Date Joined:
Sep 17, 2004
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Only players and planeswalkers can be attacked.
And here's the rule in case somebody tries to claim otherwise:
506.3. Only a creature can attack or block. Only a player or a planeswalker can be attacked.
No, I am not a judge. That's why I like to quote sources such as the rules that trump judges.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 01, 2012 - 10:36AM
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Date Joined:
Jan 19, 2003
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I checked this with a veteran member.
That veteran member is wrong.
114.9a Just because an object or player is being affected by a spell or ability doesn't make that object or player a target of that spell or ability. Unless that object or player is identified by the word "target" in the text of that spell or ability, or the rule for that keyword ability, it's not a target.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 01, 2012 - 10:36AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 18, 2009
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Prey Upon 
Fighting is not attacking.
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