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1 year ago ::
Jan 02, 2012 - 9:30PM
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My money is on Tevesh-Szat.
...And so it begins.
In before someone says Urza.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 02, 2012 - 9:32PM
#32
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Clearly, this is Thomil's doing.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 02, 2012 - 10:57PM
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"With the exception of the elder dragon Nicol Bolas, the vampire Sorin Markov is older than all other planeswalkers described here—older than all of them combined. His multiple millennia have brought him detachment and easy confidence. Unlike Bolas, Sorin doesn't concern himself with gathering power or control. He is content to follow his whims, even when those whims are cruel or deadly."
That is a quote from the Planeswalker page, it's not as though we don't know of Sorin Markov, we don't know about Sorin.
He is a very strange character, why would such a dark soul attempt to seal away the Eldrazi when he could have just walked away from the plane and had nothing to do with it, yet he even returned to the plane when the Eldrazi were released. Sorin's spark may have ignited as a direct result of becoming a vampire, maybe at one point he was a human fighting these same horrors, but he is undoubtedly far older than any creature that inhabits Innistrad, and that includes Avacyn.
Can't wait to see what happens!
I thought it was mentioned in a recent Savor the Flavor that Sorin grandfather is actually still the head of the Markov line at this point.
Ya, after I typed this I did some reading you appear to be correct, Edgar Markov, Sorin's grandfather is still the head of the Markov bloodline... I find that a bit troubling, they went out of their way to note Sorin's age only to find out his grandfather is still alive? That's not very flavorful at all...
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1 year ago ::
Jan 03, 2012 - 4:09AM
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Sorin is definitely in Dark Ascension, but I don't think this paragraph is referring to Sorin. Finally, there is another planeswalker whose presence will impact—and already has extensively impacted—the tale of Innistrad. His past is woven with the history of this world, and his return after an extended absence will uncover long-buried secrets. Although his humanity was cast off long ago, his purpose on Innistrad will reveal surprising allegiances. His identity is secret for now, but we will learn what role he has to play in the fate of Innistrad very soon. Was Sorin ever human? If Sorin's grandfather was the head of the Markov bloodline of vampires, surely that implies Sorin was born a vampire. Therefore I find it somewhat plausible this paragraph is referring to some other once-human 'walker. Of course, it could be just sloppy writing, or cleverly tricksy writing, or some other dodge. But you'd have thought that the author would know that Sorin's face has been plastered across DA ads for months.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 03, 2012 - 6:38AM
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I know world building isn't easy, but there's one logical flaw that bugs me most: writers being too generous with life spans.
So Sorin has been around for "multiple millennia". Ok, he's a Walker and would have found more than enough diversion to keep him from being bored to death, granted. But his grandfather, an ordinary vampire unable to die of age, is still sitting around in his barony? For even more than multiple millennia? And all the townsfolk around him are still fighting with pitchforks? Gimme a break...
It's like expecting humanity to have found nothing better to do than building pyramids after 4,000 years.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 03, 2012 - 8:17AM
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Clearly, this is Thomil's doing.
This is the third time in two days that I've seen someone namedrop Thomil. Is Thomil a thing now? Can we make it a thing?
@Jakusotsu:
Is it really that odd? How do you feel about Dracula, in comparison? Keep in mind that the citizens of Innistrad are living in a literal, externally enforced Dark Age, and that, well, immortality is awesome, so I don't see why A. Innistrad should be more developed or why B. Grandfather Markov should be particularly discontent with his existence. I honestly don't understand your criticism. Just what don't you like here?
@alextfish:
He has been implied to be previously human, yes. The details are still pretty unclear, though.
It's also worth noting that we know nothing about the time spans involved here. Grandfather Markov could be 50 years older than Sorin, for all we know, rather than the further centuries that some of you seem to be assuming.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 03, 2012 - 10:25AM
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I know world building isn't easy, but there's one logical flaw that bugs me most: writers being too generous with life spans.
So Sorin has been around for "multiple millennia". Ok, he's a Walker and would have found more than enough diversion to keep him from being bored to death, granted. But his grandfather, an ordinary vampire unable to die of age, is still sitting around in his barony? For even more than multiple millennia? And all the townsfolk around him are still fighting with pitchforks? Gimme a break...
It's like expecting humanity to have found nothing better to do than building pyramids after 4,000 years.
Who says that he was born/created during the Middle Ages equivalent on Innistrad? Maybe he was a caveman who was turned into one of the very first vampires and Innistrad has progressed technologically since.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 03, 2012 - 11:13AM
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Is it really that odd? How do you feel about Dracula, in comparison? Keep in mind that the citizens of Innistrad are living in a literal, externally enforced Dark Age, and that, well, immortality is awesome, so I don't see why A. Innistrad should be more developed or why B. Grandfather Markov should be particularly discontent with his existence. I honestly don't understand your criticism. Just what don't you like here?
What I don't like is the "multiple millennia" thing. We can't even start to imagine what an awfully long time that is. Dracula doesn't even come close.
True, the current crop of Innistrad citizens are much to busy fighting their hardships to develop properly, but these circumstances couldn't have lasted for even one millennium. Either Avacyn was strong enough to give them some shelter or the monsters would have quickly gotten the better of them. But as occamsrazorwit says...
Who says that he was born/created during the Middle Ages equivalent on Innistrad? Maybe he was a caveman who was turned into one of the very first vampires and Innistrad has progressed technologically since.
That's a fair point. But the name Edgar Markov implies a decent level of civilization, unless he adopted it later. Whatever the case, I don't envy the (un-)life the creative staff painted for him.
Edit: Oh, and by the way, immortality is far from awesome. Read here:
www.cracked.com/article_18708_5-reasons-...
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1 year ago ::
Jan 03, 2012 - 1:03PM
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Who says that he was born/created during the Middle Ages equivalent on Innistrad? Maybe he was a caveman who was turned into one of the very first vampires and Innistrad has progressed technologically since.
Dominaria, Ravnica, and I'm sure there are others where it's explicitly stated people have stayed somewhere around the middle ages for millennia.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 03, 2012 - 1:19PM
#40
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...because progressing any farther than some bastard lovechild of Clive Barker and Steampunk just isn't "Magical" enough for Magic.
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