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I'm absolutely livid that the best fix they could come up with was to ban Wild Nacatl. Heavens forbid they eratta the Quazi-Duals and Painlands to have 2 land types or ban the fetchlands. Also "attacks and blocks too well", Tarmogoyf says "hai gaiz" While drinking the tears of failed control decks everywhere.

I see this quickly becoming a runaway train of bannings as power levels of decks are raised and lowered too much. All you needed for punishing fire was some GY hate or land destruction. Zoo is pretty good, but in either the mirror match or against a half decent control deck it's gonna go down. Between the shocklands and fetches zoo runs, they practically kill themselves off before they kill you. I finished off a zoo deck T2 with a double lightning bolt before he took himself so low while attacking. It just is getting silly with all this. They need to fix it by just unbanning most of these cards and let this relatively new format grow a bit before they let just a couple pro matches decide the nerf level.

Dec 20, 2011 -- 3:29AM, CyrusBales wrote:

Anyone who has actually tested the format properly knew that Fires had to go and that Zoo made the format incredibly closed. With Nacatl gone, other creature decks are now viable. They want modern to be a format, allowing Kird Ape and Loam Lion to be playable make a huge difference, since it's not just run RWG or nothing if you want aggro. It even allows Treefolk Harbinger to be decent enough again since it can actually block.

How did a 3/3 for a , a fetchland, a life, and 2 more (if you wanted to cast a spell) on turn 2 make creature decks any less viable? Especially when Tarmogoyf and Knight of the Reliquary just happen to be more "acceptable" because they don't attack on turn 2? Knight is definitely a fair card by all means, but the logic approached about scaling creatures being too good because the format has both fetch and shocklands seems kind of backwards to me. If the decks opposing them didn't use the exact same land engine, they wouldn't be at 14 life on turn 2. Which becons the question as to why only the shocklands have both landtypes, and why fetchlands don't see an opposing source of mana fixing, especially when WotC knew that Onslaught's fetchlands were simply too good with the first wave of duals. It just seems to me that there were better alternatives altogether than banning the second Kird Ape, which gave you an extra point of power for working just a little bit harder.

So, the next big deck will be Bant or the Rock? And the next bannings will be Thoughtseize, Spell Snare etc? I don't get it. They'll just end up banning Islands and Forests...

I have a feeling they should unban Mental Misstep (and pretty much everything else) and let us have fun with that. The format was bad in the beginning, with all the combo decks and stuff, but it was better than now.

And that excuse, that they used Legacy as an example, that this format too had 60+ banned cards from its beginning, is ridiculous. Of course the Ante cards, the power 9 and several other broken stuff like Library of Alexandria was banned, You can't compare that to the banning of Ponder or Green Sun's Zenith .

blazing shoal is a t3 kill with blighted agent if you pitch progenitus or dragonstorm or something.

also rather than banning wild nacatl, wouldn't unbanning mental misstep be a better idea? it does more or less the same thing, but makes control a bit more viable.