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1 year ago  ::  Dec 07, 2011 - 4:52PM #1
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This thread is for discussion of this week's From the Lab, which goes live Thursday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 07, 2011 - 9:22PM #2
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I don't think Garruk, the Veil-Cursed is allowed to be played in that Commander deck.
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 07, 2011 - 11:09PM #3
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 08, 2011 - 4:49AM #4
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I'm torn between being happy that I was mentioned in FtL two weeks in a row and being upset that one of Noel's favorite things about New Phyrexia is "a direct griefing vision".
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 08, 2011 - 5:29AM #5
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Dec 7, 2011 -- 9:22PM, Strago_Magus wrote:

I don't think Garruk, the Veil-Cursed is allowed to be played in that Commander deck.



Garruk, the Veil-Cursed 's color identity is green, as shown by his mana cost and lack of other color symbols in his text. He is allowed to be in that deck, last I checked, anyway. The fact that he becomes black afterward has no affect on deck building, as it is a mono green card at all times, except when the permanent itself flips transforms.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 08, 2011 - 5:36AM #6
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Dec 8, 2011 -- 5:29AM, Mobius_XI wrote:

Dec 7, 2011 -- 9:22PM, Strago_Magus wrote:

I don't think Garruk, the Veil-Cursed is allowed to be played in that Commander deck.



Garruk, the Veil-Cursed 's color identity is green




Actually his color identity is green black, here's the relevant rule;

903.4c The back face of a double-faced card (see rule 711) is included when determining a card's color identity.

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Trolljuju's mind drifted from his appointment to thoughts of Beast Engine's manliness. The only man in history to punch the fossilized remains of a dinosaur back to life just to punch it to death again. The man who deflected bullets with his pectoral muscles during his daily assassination attempts. The man who cured cancer with a serum made from pure crystalized virility. The man who burst with vigor. Not just a man but a Man- the manliest of all men. A god of masculinity in physical form.

Trolljuju's heart fluttered at the memory of him and lightened his steps as he pressed on.

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"Beast Engine, my love," Trolljuju breathed, sturck with awe at Engine's masculine beauty despite the familiarity of his face.
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Beast Engine fell to his knees, and in his grief, he wept. The tears that fell from his face burned deep into the rock beneath him. But slowly, his sorrow turned to conviction.

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 08, 2011 - 6:40AM #7
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Yikes! There was a shocking moment for me in that article, and it didn't come from Innistrad.

When I scrolled down the M12 list, I caught a glimpse of "no way he's back!!"


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1 year ago  ::  Dec 08, 2011 - 6:51AM #8
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I love Sundial of the Infinite for it's complete weird effect. I so loved what Noel deCordova did in ruminated.
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 08, 2011 - 7:05AM #9
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I take issue with Blightsteel Colossus being in any top ten list ever, aside from perhaps a top ten list of cards that shouldn't have been printed.
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 08, 2011 - 7:43AM #10
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I too am slightly disturbed by the comment about the "direct griefing vision." I really don't think Wizards had this in mind. They don't set out to make cards that scream, "Play me if you want to lose all your friends." That's a bit dramatic, but the point is relevant. If you're cheating Blightsteel out into play (with obviously more ways to do this in non-standard formats), for instance, with the sole purpose of ending a game early and jumping up and down saying "I beat you all!" then I don't think Wizards is on your side of embracing the game. I'm a big proponent of decks being enjoyable for everyone involved. So is that really what New Phyrexia is about? Griefing opponents?

My understanding of griefing is pretty straight-forward: making your opponents dread playing against you. It's like playing Leyline of the Void in opening hand and then dropping a Helm of Obedience. It ends the game immediately. Sure, the cards interact really well with each other, but griefing is all about making your opponent unable to respond, unable to play, unable to enjoy any part of the game. That's not what Magic ought to be about.
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