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Dec 8, 2011 -- 1:09PM, GreenBuster wrote:

Dec 8, 2011 -- 9:41AM, Qilong wrote:

I think this is the Timmiest Commander deck I have ever saw. I find it mildly amusing that there are only three creatures in this deck (excluding the general), and two of each basic. The nonbasic overkill, and the accompanying vulnerability to nonbasic hate (e.g., Ruination ) with the lack of a decent amount of land fetching ( Shard Convergence is clearly for the duals, and Kodama's Reach / Cultivate can only fetch the basics, with no other dig/early blockers/early defense like Farhaven Elf ) suggests that this deck wants to slowly build to its climax, instead of accellerate itself there. All this to somehow assure itself of double along with the planeswalkers. I presume big Proggy is an eventual play, never an realistically intended play, due to such issues.

That said, Planeswalker.dec in Commander form. Silly.

All ten fetchlands plus multiple other lands that look for lands doesn't constitute as enough land fetching?  Also, look at the fact that a few of the lands produce all five colors.  What this deck does lack in order the play Progenitus is sufficient mana acceleration.

I do agree that relying on the dual lands makes you very vulnerable to non-basic land hate.  However, it is very hard for a five color deck to survive without playing non-basics.

It is very easy for a 5C deck to survive without being vulnerable, by running more extensive land acceleration and fetch. No, fetch lands do not constitute any measure of progressing your board state beyond the 1-land a turn deal, and as such the absence of true accellerators like Explosive Vegetation and Skyshroud Claim impairs the deck's ability to push itself beyond being able to eventually drop Proggy by turn 10. In the absence of either Kodama's Reach or Cultivate , the deck has only a Wayfarer's Bauble to get extra lands into play. Everything else gets lands into hand, meaning it does advance your board position.

Despite this, the deck is using Proggy? Solid Timmy. [I'm not saying this as a bad thing ... Planeswalker.dec is not unheard of, just extraordinarily weak without either defense or means of controlling what your opponent does, especially after you wipe most everyone's lands with Global Ruin or half or so with Wake of Destruction . While those sweepers are effective in attempting to break the symmetry, allowing Nagle to keep , the purpose further impairs his ability to play anything remotely accelerating. If you do it when you're ahead, you don't really need to do it (a little something known as the jerk play -- you do it to make yourself unliked at the board).

What I notice most decks doing is that they invest in a lot of Green land fetch to accellerate their board, making it safe for dropping vulnerable PWs. Without that quality, the deck is weak to removal. So I tend to think Nagle built it pretty well to have fun, yet it still rankles that he's running mass land destruction (and especially since it hurts monocolored the most), something I would think a Timmy would eschew as too much of an enemy-maker, and a way to irk your playgroup.

Dec 9, 2011 -- 8:16AM, Senyuno wrote:

Any Commander deck that isn't Timmy isn't doing it right.

It's going to be hilarious as hell when the Convocation eventually turns Commander into a sanctioned thing, and a horde of spikes immediately swoop in and "ruin" it.

Dec 9, 2011 -- 8:58AM, Qmark wrote:

Dec 9, 2011 -- 8:16AM, Senyuno wrote:

Any Commander deck that isn't Timmy isn't doing it right.

It's going to be hilarious as hell when the Convocation eventually turns Commander into a sanctioned thing, and a horde of spikes immediately swoop in and "ruin" it.

You've never heard of the French Meta, have you? They even have their own banned list (it mimicks Legacy somewhat), locking out Sol Ring among many other "staples" for EDH. It also lowers life totals to 30 and is based on 1v1 duels, not multiplayer. It is for this format that Spikes should be rewarded.