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2 years ago ::
Nov 23, 2011 - 1:29PM
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Nov 23, 2011
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ye and when I counter a spell (Ulamog) then none of this things happen because (if you read carefully) "none of its effects occur"
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2 years ago ::
Nov 23, 2011 - 1:29PM
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Mar 13, 2004
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lol ....countering a spell means that none of its effects ( why not trigger abbilities ?!) occur. so this trigger ability is usless cause it just won´t happen (It doesn't resolve and none of its effects occur.)
and u can only cast Ulamog and thats what countering it removes all his abilities >.<[ quote="" br="" class="mbQuoteSpacer">
Trigger abilities are no "effects" of a spell.
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2 years ago ::
Nov 23, 2011 - 1:32PM
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Mar 13, 2004
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ye and when I counter a spell (Ulamog) then none of this things happen because (if you read carefully) "none of its effects occur"
Trigger abilities are not "effects" of a spell.
YOu are trying to use semantical arguements for rules that are very clear. Trigger abilities and activated abilities exist independant of thier sources. THis is always the case.
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2 years ago ::
Nov 23, 2011 - 1:32PM
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Mar 29, 2005
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2 years ago ::
Nov 23, 2011 - 1:41PM
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I wonder..
Do the Comp. Rules actually say that somewhere or do you just kind of have to know these things.
For example, is it stated somewhere what they mean by "the effect" of a spell?
(this is more of a rules theory question, sorry.)
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2 years ago ::
Nov 23, 2011 - 1:46PM
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Date Joined:
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I wonder..
Do the Comp. Rules actually say that somewhere or do you just kind of have to know these things.
For example, is it stated somewhere what they mean by "the effect" of a spell?
"Effects" actually has a rules entry.
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2 years ago ::
Nov 23, 2011 - 1:47PM
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A ROE rules card actually says this happens with Emrakul ( Time Walk  ) and her buddies Ulamog ( Vindicate  ) and Kozilek (quad-cantrip), and Kozilek's artisan  . What they don't tell you is the downside: If I piper  out Emrakul or use Conspiracy  to fetch her  , I don't get the extra turn. Contrast with Wall of Omens  , which is a cantrip every time my Sun Titan  brings it back.
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2 years ago ::
Nov 23, 2011 - 1:53PM
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May 15, 2001
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You may be confusing the effects of a spell with the Ulamog example. If you cast Aura Blast  , and it gets countered (by it's target being gone) You will not draw a card. The card draw is part of the spell, if the spell is countered, all of it is countered. Ulamog has a triggered ability that triggers and goes on the stack as seperate object from the Ulamog spell. These two items are independant, countering one will have no impact on the other.
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2 years ago ::
Nov 23, 2011 - 1:54PM
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Oct 18, 2009
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The effect of a resolving permanent spell (except for aura spells) is to move the card from the stack to the battlefield. This is the only effect a creature spell has. 608. Resolving Spells and Abilities 608.1. Each time all players pass in succession, the spell or ability on top of the stack resolves. (See rule 609, "Effects.") 608.3. If the object that's resolving is a permanent spell, its resolution involves a single step (unless it's an Aura). The spell card becomes a permanent and is put onto the battlefield under the control of the spell's controller. 609. Effects 609.1. An effect is something that happens in the game as a result of a spell or ability. When a spell, activated ability, or triggered ability resolves, it may create one or more one-shot or continuous effects. Static abilities may create one or more continuous effects. Text itself is never an effect. 610. One-Shot Effects 610.1. A one-shot effect does something just once and doesn't have a duration. Examples include dealing damage, destroying a permanent, putting a token onto the battlefield, and moving an object from one zone to another. (Some cards may have a replacement effect being applied as they enter the battlefield, like Clone  or Pouncing Wurm  , but these are effects from the permanent, not the spell)
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2 years ago ::
Nov 23, 2011 - 2:18PM
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Jan 25, 2008
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Ok I think that makes everything clear, thank you ^_^
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