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1 year ago ::
Nov 22, 2011 - 4:35PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 24, 2008
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Building on a Budget, which goes live Wednesday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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1 year ago ::
Nov 22, 2011 - 5:00PM
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Anyone want to make any predictions?
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1 year ago ::
Nov 22, 2011 - 9:31PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 19, 2007
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I like the concept, Erayo has the potential to do some pretty crazy things and it will only get easier to flip as they print more cards. Ancient grudge is indeed a huge roadblock for the tempered steel version of the deck, I'm curious to see your 4 color bloodbraid variant. Zoo has already been splashing blue for snapcaster and select counters, adding Erayo to that mix has the potential for some pretty sick turns.
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1 year ago ::
Nov 22, 2011 - 10:01PM
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Apr 25, 2010
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Step 1) Take out your Tempered Steel modern deck. Step 2) Add Erayo, Soratami Ascendant Step 3) ???????? Step 4) Profit.
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1 year ago ::
Nov 23, 2011 - 12:22AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 28, 2010
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Imma say this once, and once only.
Needs MOAR PYROMANCY The pyro version of this deck dodges ancient grudge (though not pridemage, granted), and has more cards that play well with gitaxian probe + noxious revival (mostly the pyro itself). The deck also goes infinite to win, theoretically as early as turn four, and has easier access to mana leak, rune snag, spell pierce/snare, remand, etc. Also, playing a deck composed of more instants allows you to flip erayo in response to removal (mana leak, bolt something, revival, maybe?), and just protect both of your win conditions until you can actually win. Locking your opponents out isn't an option, unfortunately, but who needs that? you just locked your opponents out of cheaper spells and forced them to hold on to anything that could threaten you, as the first spell isn't resolving, and the second-third might not either.
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1 year ago ::
Nov 23, 2011 - 12:26AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 25, 2003
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Step 1) Take out your Tempered Steel modern deck. Step 2) Add Erayo, Soratami Ascendant Step 3) ???????? Step 4) Profit.
The irony of it all is that to keep it budget, he had to give up the building part. I'm pretty sure the Bant version was pretty cool. Personally, though, I kept thinking "Well, you just add Erayo+Canonist to an affinity deck, and you win. Nothing special there."
I liked some of the extra notes, though (adding money, the Bant-version, the post-sideboarding discussion and so on). I just wish we'd see those again next week.
Zindaras' meta is like a fossil, ancient and its secrets yet to be uncovered. Only men of yore, long dead, knew of it.
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1 year ago ::
Nov 23, 2011 - 12:28AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 25, 2003
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Imma say this once, and once only.
Needs MOAR PYROMANCY The pyro version of this deck dodges ancient grudge (though not pridemage, granted), and has more cards that play well with gitaxian probe + noxious revival (mostly the pyro itself). The deck also goes infinite to win, theoretically as early as turn four, and has easier access to mana leak, rune snag, spell pierce/snare, remand, etc. Also, playing a deck composed of more instants allows you to flip erayo in response to removal (mana leak, bolt something, revival, maybe?), and just protect both of your win conditions until you can actually win. Locking your opponents out isn't an option, unfortunately, but who needs that? you just locked your opponents out of cheaper spells and forced them to hold on to anything that could threaten you, as the first spell isn't resolving, and the second-third might not either.
I don't think flipping Erayo in response works.
Zindaras' meta is like a fossil, ancient and its secrets yet to be uncovered. Only men of yore, long dead, knew of it.
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1 year ago ::
Nov 23, 2011 - 5:11AM
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Interesting how similar the art is for Erayo (unflipped) and Ethersworn Canonist. I wonder if that's deliberate? They are clearly related cards after all.
I feel like JVL made a small effort to heed feedback on this article, though it's so small I could actually just be imagining it. In some ways I hope he hasn't made an effort on that front because if he has it's really insubstantial. Almost like paying lip-service to the deck building aspects people are asking for.
I would like to see some more game logs, possibly from different versions of the build on slightly different budgets.
I also think a (tighter) budget version of this deck should be presented. Maybe I'm wrong but it looks like this still costs over 100 dollars to me, so how about acknowledging that and then presenting a version of the deck with that cost halved?
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1 year ago ::
Nov 23, 2011 - 5:13AM
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Date Joined:
Jan 17, 2006
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Another $100+ "budget" deck...looks like I will have to do your job for you JVL.
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1 year ago ::
Nov 23, 2011 - 5:28AM
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Date Joined:
Apr 30, 2003
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