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Switch to Forum Live View 11/23/2011 BoaB: "Modern Erayo"
1 year ago  ::  Nov 22, 2011 - 4:35PM #1
Garmichael
Date Joined: Jun 24, 2008
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Building on a Budget, which goes live Wednesday morning on magicthegathering.com.

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1 year ago  ::  Nov 22, 2011 - 5:00PM #2
SavageWombat
Date Joined: Jun 1, 2011
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Anyone want to make any predictions?
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 22, 2011 - 9:31PM #3
funkyfritter
Date Joined: Oct 19, 2007
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I like the concept, Erayo has the potential to do some pretty crazy things and it will only get easier to flip as they print more cards. Ancient grudge is indeed a huge roadblock for the tempered steel version of the deck, I'm curious to see your 4 color bloodbraid variant. Zoo has already been splashing blue for snapcaster and select counters, adding Erayo to that mix has the potential for some pretty sick turns.
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 22, 2011 - 10:01PM #4
Torleep
Date Joined: Apr 25, 2010
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Step 1) Take out your Tempered Steel modern deck.
Step 2) Add Erayo, Soratami Ascendant
Step 3) ????????
Step 4) Profit. 
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 23, 2011 - 12:22AM #5
frommerman
Date Joined: Oct 28, 2010
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Imma say this once, and once only.


Needs MOAR PYROMANCY
The pyro version of this deck dodges ancient grudge (though not pridemage, granted), and has more cards that play well with gitaxian probe + noxious revival (mostly the pyro itself). The deck also goes infinite to win, theoretically as early as turn four, and has easier access to mana leak, rune snag, spell pierce/snare, remand, etc. Also, playing a deck composed of more instants allows you to flip erayo in response to removal (mana leak, bolt something, revival, maybe?), and just protect both of your win conditions until you can actually win. Locking your opponents out isn't an option, unfortunately, but who needs that? you just locked your opponents out of cheaper spells and forced them to hold on to anything that could threaten you, as the first spell isn't resolving, and the second-third might not either.
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 23, 2011 - 12:26AM #6
Zindaras
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Nov 22, 2011 -- 10:01PM, Torleep wrote:

Step 1) Take out your Tempered Steel modern deck.
Step 2) Add Erayo, Soratami Ascendant
Step 3) ????????
Step 4) Profit. 




The irony of it all is that to keep it budget, he had to give up the building part. I'm pretty sure the Bant version was pretty cool. Personally, though, I kept thinking "Well, you just add Erayo+Canonist to an affinity deck, and you win. Nothing special there."

I liked some of the extra notes, though (adding money, the Bant-version, the post-sideboarding discussion and so on). I just wish we'd see those again next week.

Dec 1, 2010 -- 10:06AM, ProphetKing wrote:

Zindaras' meta is like a fossil, ancient and its secrets yet to be uncovered. Only men of yore, long dead, knew of it.

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1 year ago  ::  Nov 23, 2011 - 12:28AM #7
Zindaras
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Nov 23, 2011 -- 12:22AM, frommerman wrote:

Imma say this once, and once only.


Needs MOAR PYROMANCY
The pyro version of this deck dodges ancient grudge (though not pridemage, granted), and has more cards that play well with gitaxian probe + noxious revival (mostly the pyro itself). The deck also goes infinite to win, theoretically as early as turn four, and has easier access to mana leak, rune snag, spell pierce/snare, remand, etc. Also, playing a deck composed of more instants allows you to flip erayo in response to removal (mana leak, bolt something, revival, maybe?), and just protect both of your win conditions until you can actually win. Locking your opponents out isn't an option, unfortunately, but who needs that? you just locked your opponents out of cheaper spells and forced them to hold on to anything that could threaten you, as the first spell isn't resolving, and the second-third might not either.




I don't think flipping Erayo in response works.

Dec 1, 2010 -- 10:06AM, ProphetKing wrote:

Zindaras' meta is like a fossil, ancient and its secrets yet to be uncovered. Only men of yore, long dead, knew of it.

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1 year ago  ::  Nov 23, 2011 - 5:11AM #8
Baconradar
Date Joined: Aug 8, 2010
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Interesting how similar the art is for Erayo (unflipped) and Ethersworn Canonist. I wonder if that's deliberate? They are clearly related cards after all.


I feel like JVL made a small effort to heed feedback on this article, though it's so small I could actually just be imagining it. In some ways I hope he hasn't made an effort on that front because if he has it's really insubstantial. Almost like paying lip-service to the deck building aspects people are asking for.

I would like to see some more game logs, possibly from different versions of the build on slightly different budgets.

I also think a (tighter) budget version of this deck should be presented. Maybe I'm wrong but it looks like this still costs over 100 dollars to me, so how about acknowledging that and then presenting a version of the deck with that cost halved?
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 23, 2011 - 5:13AM #9
phlip45
Date Joined: Jan 17, 2006
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Another $100+ "budget" deck...looks like I will have to do your job for you JVL.

Budget Modern Erayo

Lands
8 x Island
9 x Plains

Creatures
3 x Court Homunculus ~ 10¢
4 x Erayo, Soratami Ascendant < /a> ~ $20
1 x Ethersworn Canonist ~ $3
4 x Memnite ~$3
4 x Ornithopter ~$1
4 x Grand Architect ~$3

Other Spells
4 x Chimeric Mass ~ $1
4 x Gitaxian Probe ~ 20¢
4 x Mishra's Bauble ~ $2
4 x Unsummon ~ 4¢
3 x Springleaf Drum ~ 45¢
4 x Glorious Anthem ~ $6

Total Cost ~ $40

While this deck may not be as powerful as it could be with the right card it is still pretty powerful. The combo will come out just as often as JVL's deck while losing some pushing power but being on a much smaller budget (less than half). However with Grand Architect + Chimeric Mass it is possible to still bring the hurt.

Adding Money to the deck

Glorious Anthem -> Tempered Steel
Chimeric Mass -> Master of Etherium
Grand Architect -> Steel Overseer
Plains/Islands -> Seachrome Coast / Adarkar Wastes / Glacial Fortress




Would it be so difficult to do something of this nature? $40 I have a feeling people would agree is a bit more budget and the combo is still there. You can still suggest the actual deck you would like people to try by using the adding money to the deck section, and I'm sure no one would mind if you added additional game logs showing how the deck worked after adding the money to the deck. I mean you would obviously add a little more fleshing out to the article and more talking about the cards but this is only an example.

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1 year ago  ::  Nov 23, 2011 - 5:28AM #10
SamLL
Date Joined: Apr 30, 2003
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Adarkar Wastes (4x $1 = $4)
Island ($0)
Plains ($0)
Seachrome Coast (4x $11 = $44)

Court Homunculus (4x $0.03 = $0)
Erayo, Soratami Ascendant (4x $5 = $20)
Ethersworn Canonist ($3)
Master of Etherium (4x $3 = $12)
Memnite (4x $1 = $4)
Ornithopter (4x $0.25 = $1)
Steel Overseer (4x $3 = $12)

Gitaxian Probe (4x $0.10 = $0)
Mishra's Bauble (4x $0.50 = $2)
Path to Exile (4x $3 = $12)
Springleaf Drum (3x $0.25 = $0)
Tempered Steel (4x $3.50 = $14)

Total cost for this one, budget, deck:
$128

An alternate budget plan that's been in the news recently:

12 months World of Warcraft subscription (12x $13 = $156)
Diablo III ($0)
Mists of Pandaria beta ($0)

Total cost: $156

Think this one budget deck will get you at least 82% of the hours of entertainment as the alternate plan?
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