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Locked: Supercomputer scan: Bloodhunger "deep blue" build designed to dominate DLC2
2 years ago  ::  Nov 19, 2011 - 6:43PM #1
g0mbl3rr
Date Joined: Oct 17, 2011
Posts: 114
I use the term "unbeatable build" very frequently and many people try and hold that against me so I'm just going to say this build is "borderline unbeatable".

I was just toying around on my supercomputer trying to generate dominant decks, entering the new card stats into the system from DLC2, etc...when I came up with this.

Why am I sharing this? Because I like all of you and want you to win. I not only want you to win. I want you to crush. like you having 50 life and the other guy negative 50.

Why should you try this build?
1. the S.C. indicates it is a statistical favorite against all decks.
2. there is a huge over-representation of black magic. This deck exploits this weakness of the game.

I don't know about you but I like to win. I only play the best decks. Winning is fun and I'm a competitive person. I don't play a deck because I like the creatures in it, or like the theme, or if the magic color of the deck "matches my personality traits". I play a deck for one reason and one reason only. winning. and statistical odds.

Just tested it, here are my thoughts:

I went 20-1. w/l. The times I played the same opponent more than once, I flat out told the guy that I was taking vampires again. I told him to pick the best counter. He did. He still lost.

This is on steam on the pc since ps3 doesn't come out until tuesday. Faced a ton of zombies and still a ton of people using GW.

Without further delay:

demon's horn 3x .....see my other thread about lifegain artifacts to get clued in.

blade of the bloodchief 1x


quag vampires 1x just a cheap 1 cast creature to sac.

tormented soul 3x


bloodghast 1x ..... vampire aristocrat 's best friend.

child of night 2x good candidate for urge to feed.

feast of blood 2x

gatekeeper of malakir 2x this card is only good for its removal ability when it is first cast. feel free to sacrifice it to an aristocrat later.

urge to feed 2x use this defensively on blocking creatures with summon sickness during your opponents attack phase.

vicious hunger 2x

bloodhusk ritualist 1x kick it. kick it right through the uprights...with like 5 or 6 mana.

captivating vampire 1x useless card but good burn bait.

vampire aristocrat 2x sacrifice creatures before your opponents burn spell hits them.

vampire nighthawk 2x

barter in blood 2x cast this on turn 4 and don't cast any creatures on the three turns before it. You're almost garunteed getting this card or a gatekeeper in every game. The supercomputer says so. If you cast this card late game....pause it and give vampire aristocrat a +4/4 bonus using the creatures you have to sacrifice anyway.

mirri the cursed 1x burn bait.

sangromancer 1x i love lifegain!

vampire nocturnus 1x

vampire outcasts 2x

corrupt 2x

skeletal vampire 1x  basically a bat factory for junk creatures to sacrifice

butcher of malakir 1x if you've never had this bad boy out coupled with the above creature, you're missing out. seriously.


There it is already tested it on steam with DLC2. It decimates. This build is the new realm of illusion.

Feel free to post constructive criticism.

Uncontructive criticism is welcome also.
Extensive deck tester for duels 2012 and aspiring rules advisor
"When you're as great as I am, it's hard to be humble." -Ali
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 19, 2011 - 7:02PM #2
HieroGlyph
Date Joined: Jun 27, 2009
Posts: 918

Nov 19, 2011 -- 6:43PM, g0mbl3rr wrote:

Why am I sharing this? Because I like all of you and want you to win. I not only want you to win. I want you to crush. like you having 50 life and the other guy negative 50.




Thank you for demonstrating yet another flaw in your strategy.  Why delay the game to build up life and attemtp to deal 50 damage when you can finish the game quickly, lose a little life but get your opponent to zero first?  Sounds to me like you are using an ineffecient build just to try and 'crush' your opponent.  I'd much rather win quickly and move on to the next player rather than trying to build up pointless life and deal significant damage, all the while giving my opponent a chance to draw the card that can cost me the game.  I'm sorry but your ego is your own greatest enemy and your strategy is heavily flawed, although you seem to be blind to it each and every time you troll this forum with your posts.

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2 years ago  ::  Nov 19, 2011 - 7:24PM #3
Eonblueapocalypse1
Date Joined: Dec 17, 2010
Posts: 1,713

I don't know about you but I like to win. I only play the best decks and I pump my flamekin brawler with one land during my opponents turn hoping it skips his main phase.




Stay classy g0mbl3rr!

Seriously, for as much as they like to mod me for my vulgarity and general ease of being annoyed, they sure don't seem to take the part of the code of conduct about baiting very seriously.

Namely this one.

  • Troll or bait the community in general with inflammatory statements, such as ones designed to elicit a negative response from the community

This will likely get modded since I am talking about the moderators here, but it really needs to be said.

"I have existed from the morning of the world and I shall exist until the last star falls from the night. Although I have taken the form of Gaius Caligula, I am all men as I am no man and therefore I am a God."
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 19, 2011 - 7:43PM #4
g0mbl3rr
Date Joined: Oct 17, 2011
Posts: 114
this is not a "troll". it is a helpful post that contains the best possible build out of all possible decks in the game.

stop whinning to the moderators and tryign to get my thread closed when im sharing helpful information to other players.

why don't you comment on the winning decklist that was actually posted.
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 19, 2011 - 7:47PM #5
g0mbl3rr
Date Joined: Oct 17, 2011
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Nov 19, 2011 -- 7:02PM, HieroGlyph wrote:



Thank you for demonstrating yet another flaw in your strategy.  Why delay the game to build up life and attemtp to deal 50 damage when you can finish the game quickly, lose a little life but get your opponent to zero first?  Sounds to me like you are using an ineffecient build just to try and 'crush' your opponent.  I'd much rather win quickly and move on to the next player rather than trying to build up pointless life and deal significant damage, all the while giving my opponent a chance to draw the card that can cost me the game.  I'm sorry but your ego is your own greatest enemy and your strategy is heavily flawed, although you seem to be blind to it each and every time you troll this forum with your posts.




that was a figure of speech. i don't get why everyone on this forums takes every single word literally.

give my deck list a chance. i think you will really like it if you play it properly.

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2 years ago  ::  Nov 19, 2011 - 7:54PM #6
sixty4half
Date Joined: Aug 11, 2008
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Nov 19, 2011 -- 6:43PM, g0mbl3rr wrote:



barter in blood 2x cast this on turn 4 and don't cast any creatures on the three turns before it. You're almost garunteed getting this card or a gatekeeper in every game. The supercomputer says so. If you cast this card late game....pause it and give vampire aristocrat a +4/4 bonus using the creatures you have to sacrifice anyway.




You can't use the aristocrat this way when also using barter in blood.   You can't sacrifice 1 creature for 2 different sacrifice effects.  That'd be like tapping one mountain and being able to use it to cast 2 lightning bolts.  If you can, in fact, do what you described above in DotP2012 then it is a bug and you are exploiting it and to encourage people on the forums to exploit bugs should be some sort of offense.

Besides doing nothing for three turns, just to take advantage of a turn-4 play is generally considered bad play anyways.  This is especially bad if you are on the draw instead of the play.  Allowing your opponenent 4 uninterrupted turns is just asking for bad things to happen.


I'm sure your build works with the current metagame and I'm sure that against zombies and vamps and gravewhisper you do really good with those demon's horn.  I will give you that.  you do know your metagame.  In any other situation Demon's Horn is a crap card, and once people start to shift towards decks that are good against what is being played right now, this build won't do so well.  

Honestly with all the lifelink in this deck, I don't know why you think you need the extra lifegain from the artifacts. 

Chancellor of the Spires is one of the worst cards in the deck. With only two of them, you are almost never going to get one in your starting hand. If you do get it in your starting hand, it will just sit there. If you get to cast it, it will get burned immediately.
- gombl3r

CW is NOT how a mono blue deck should work.
-Khronikos

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2 years ago  ::  Nov 19, 2011 - 8:01PM #7
HieroGlyph
Date Joined: Jun 27, 2009
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Nov 19, 2011 -- 7:47PM, g0mbl3rr wrote:

that was a figure of speech. i don't get why everyone on this forums takes every single word literally.

give my deck list a chance. i think you will really like it if you play it properly.




Because on a forum the only thing you have to go by is the words that were posted.  I don't understand why you feel that anyone on this forum still takes you seriously since your posts are filled with baiting comments and remarks that degrade others while painting yourself as somehow superior to the rest of us.  You provide absolutely no evidence to support your claims of greatness either other than statements that have no validity such as going 20-1.

And lastly, your killer combo requires 2 cards out of 60 with 7 swamps to even run it.  Most Vampire deck matches should be finished if not already secured by that point.  Sure the combo works well when you can get it but even your 'supercomputer' should tell you that the odds of this happening are rare at best.  And where is Drana ?

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2 years ago  ::  Nov 19, 2011 - 8:31PM #8
Eonblueapocalypse1
Date Joined: Dec 17, 2010
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Nov 19, 2011 -- 7:43PM, g0mbl3rr wrote:

this is not a "troll". it is a helpful post that contains the best possible build out of all possible decks in the game.

stop whinning to the moderators and tryign to get my thread closed when im sharing helpful information to other players.

why don't you comment on the winning decklist that was actually posted.




Nov 19, 2011 -- 8:01PM, HieroGlyph wrote:

Nov 19, 2011 -- 7:47PM, g0mbl3rr wrote:

that was a figure of speech. i don't get why everyone on this forums takes every single word literally.

give my deck list a chance. i think you will really like it if you play it properly.




Because on a forum the only thing you have to go by is the words that were posted.  I don't understand why you feel that anyone on this forum still takes you seriously since your posts are filled with baiting comments and remarks that degrade others while painting yourself as somehow superior to the rest of us.  You provide absolutely no evidence to support your claims of greatness either other than statements that have no validity such as going 20-1.

And lastly, your killer combo requires 2 cards out of 60 with 7 swamps to even run it.  Most Vampire deck matches should be finished if not already secured by that point.  Sure the combo works well when you can get it but even your 'supercomputer' should tell you that the odds of this happening are rare at best.  And where is Drana ?




HieroGlyph pretty much summed what I had to say.

Not only are you giving incorrect information ( Barter in Blood and Vampire Aristocrat for example).

Not only do you give terrible deck builds.

Not only do you make asinine claims (supercomputer....need I say more?).

Not only do you admit to using exploits to win(and proudly I might add).

Not only do you claim nearly 100% win ratios for every single build you ever post.

But worst of all, you have the hubris to act like you are the be all, end all, best player in the entire world, and you belittle those who disagree with you.

The combination of all of the above has lead to the vast majority of the community believing you are trolling.

Hence my previous comment.

"I have existed from the morning of the world and I shall exist until the last star falls from the night. Although I have taken the form of Gaius Caligula, I am all men as I am no man and therefore I am a God."
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 19, 2011 - 8:49PM #9
Morgan_X
Date Joined: Sep 13, 2010
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Just stumbled on this post. I think what it's trying to say is a Supercomputer has determined that Blood Hunger is another powerful black deck. Thank you Wizards.

For the record, I determined that with my XBox.
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 19, 2011 - 8:50PM #10
sixty4half
Date Joined: Aug 11, 2008
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I checked the code of conduct and, unfortunately, there is nothing in there that says that promoting the use of bugs or glitches (which he does twice in his OP) is an offense.  I just hope that newer players don't read this and think that it's cool to use things like activated abilities during your opponenets turn to make them skip their main phase.

Chancellor of the Spires is one of the worst cards in the deck. With only two of them, you are almost never going to get one in your starting hand. If you do get it in your starting hand, it will just sit there. If you get to cast it, it will get burned immediately.
- gombl3r

CW is NOT how a mono blue deck should work.
-Khronikos

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Edit: My name is Mark.
It wouldn't be right to pray for the devil.
-thedevilwuster
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