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2 years ago  ::  Nov 08, 2011 - 11:27PM #1
DRCJr
Date Joined: Oct 27, 2011
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lets stay i attacked, he defended, i played this instant can he withdrawl his defend? and if he didnt will this instant play out for the poison counter IF i played it right after he declared his defender.
(defender died for this to work for all that will say not if he didnt die....)
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 08, 2011 - 11:40PM #2
Argus_Panoptes
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Nov 8, 2011 -- 11:27PM, DRCJr wrote:

lets stay i attacked, he defended, i played this instant can he withdrawl his defend?



[c]Virulent Wound[/c] -> Virulent Wound
[c=Virulent Wound]this instant[/c] -> this instant

"withdrawl his defend"???

509.1g Each chosen creature still controlled by the defending player becomes a blocking creature. Each one is blocking the attacking creatures chosen for it. It remains a blocking creature until it's removed from combat or the combat phase ends, whichever comes first. See rule 506.4.



Nov 8, 2011 -- 11:27PM, DRCJr wrote:

and if he didnt will this instant play out for the poison counter IF i played it right after he declared his defender.
(defender died for this to work for all that will say not if he didnt die....)



Virulent Wound does what it says it does.

No, I am not a judge.  That's why I like to quote sources such as the rules that trump judges.
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 09, 2011 - 1:08AM #3
Novacat
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DRCJr, what is your native language? We may have someone around here who can speak to you in your native language, which will avoid much of the confusion I assume you have when posting on these boards.
Ever feel like people on these forums can't possibly understand how wrong they are? Feeling trolled? Don't get mad. Report Post.
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 09, 2011 - 9:14AM #4
Philosophy
Date Joined: Oct 16, 2011
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Are you asking about the specific wording of the card?

If so, it is quite misleading. I think DRCJr may be confused about the card which says "when that creature... it's controller gets a poision counter".

"If the creature doesn't get put into the graveyard does it's contoller still get a poison counter?", is what I understand DRCJr to be asking.
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 09, 2011 - 12:47PM #5
Aandaaso
Date Joined: May 31, 2010
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From what I gather here is an answer:

Once a creature has been declared as a blocker (Defender is an ability) and priority passes you have the ability to then play something like Virulent Wound on that creature and that creature's controller can not take the block back.  If that creature dies as a result of the -1/-1 counter or the combination of that counter and damage then that creature's controller will receive a poison counter, as long as it was in the same turn that the Wound was cast.
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 09, 2011 - 5:33PM #6
LMTRK
Date Joined: Mar 22, 2009
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2 points:

Once blocked, a creature remains blocked, and wont deal any combat damage to the player/planeswalker it was attacking, regardless of what happens to the blocker(s) - unless it has trample or a similar ability. For example, if you attack your opponent with a 4/4 with Trample, your opponent blocks with a 1/1, you use Virulent Wound on the 1/1, causing it to die, your opponent takes all 4 combat damage. If your attaker did not have Trampe (or similar), your opponent would not take any damage.

It doesnt matter why the creature targeted by Virulent Wound dies. For example, if you cast Virulent Wound on a 3/3, and then later in the turn deal 1 damage to that creature from a source with Deathtouch, your opponent still gets a Poison Counter - even though it wasnt the -1/-1 Counter from the Virulent Wound that killed it.

Hope that helps

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Jan 5, 2013 -- 9:32PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jan 4, 2013 -- 5:20AM, LMTRK wrote:

That makes no sense to me.

If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?

~ Tim   


Yup, just like you can have Birds of paradise in a mono green deck but not Noble Hierarch . YAY COLOR IDENTITY


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Jul 7, 2011 -- 12:36AM, LMTRK wrote:

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I love this description. Like the cows are sponges filled with milk. I can see it all Nick Parks claymation-style with the cow's eyes bugging out momentarily as a giant farmer squeezes it like a squeaky dog toy, and milk shoots out of it.

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