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11 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 7:35AM
#151
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Just cut the stingers completely... and keep Whispering Specter in the sideboard for random control matchups.
Homicidal is insanely unfair when your one dude is a Phy Crusader.
Other infect creatures I would strongly consider right now are either Vatmother or Hand of Praetors. Vatmother is pretty good if you're thinking to crash into GR all day... and she beats up Hero of Bladehold if Delver is on the aggro plan. Not so hot into V Snags though. Maindeck your mental missteps.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 2:54PM
#152
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We really have no other alternative for plague stinger. We can't jam pack our three drop spot, Especially with whispering specter since he's just a plague stinger with an ability attached. We need an evasive creature that can carry lashwrithe, it's bad but there's really no other option.
Saying Phyrexian Crusader is enough just doesnt cut it. This deck barely has any dig to begin with, and if you decide to reduce your threat density with Sign in Blood, then you have other problems to deal with. Reducing our already meager threat density further with homicidal seclusion (an arguably, bad card, as it doesn't really do that much at FIVE mana, that is 100% useless in top deck mode or in the critical initial 5 turns of the game. Better hope you have a creature!)
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11 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 6:00PM
#153
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No one said to pack the 3 slot. I said Vatmother. She's a 4 drop. And a darn good one. Have you seen that ass? Plague Stinger is only evasive when you're not playing against a deck with Moorland Haunt, Delver, or Restoration Angel. Holy crap, that doesn't leave too much except for zombies who have an equally fast clock which is far less disruptable. You have to let go of the bad card. Trust me, I piloted MBI to a Top 4 at States and I've let it go.
Use Tezz Gambit, not Sign in Blood in this deck. Herp.
Homicidal Seclusion is so strong. It's like Loxodon Warhammer. You just cast it, and its already equipped and you're crushing tempo.
Suggested creature base:
4 Crusader
4 Vatmother
2 Skithiryx
4 Inkmoth Nexus
Supplement with 2 Postmortem Lunge (or Undying Evil if you must). You still end up with 16 threats from creatures. You still get access to Virulent Wound, Gambit, and Clasp for reach. You can probably find reasonable space for 1-2 Caress of Phyrexia, a lava axe.
If you're not using Homicidal Seclusion you're just doing it wrong. Hell, play Plague Stinger... with a Seclusion out he's a 4/2 if he's alone. Not vulnerable to gut shot at least. Just play Seclusion. I've used it and its a beast.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 16, 2012 - 7:53AM
#154
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I played on Tuesday at a local shop. Cut 2 stingers for 2 Homicidals. Ended up 2-2 with a first round bye. Got crappy draws most of the night. Somehow I ended up multiple games drawing into both Homicidals and both Skittles with 3 mana on board. I saw at least one stinger every game I played, which was odd considering I'm only running 2.
Second round was against mono-white lifegain. Easy.
Third was W/B/G pod. I won on the back of Homicidal in game 2. That card + Inkmoth is pretty much auto win.
Last round was wolf run ramp. Lost 0-2. All the games were close and lengthy though, even with my shoddy draws. There's a SCG qualifier in 2 weeks, hopefully I'll do better.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 16, 2012 - 8:24AM
#155
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Date Joined:
Apr 25, 2008
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Homicidal is legit. Sounds like you need to work on your shuffle.
Funny thing is... shuffling is usually not the problem. You're just not resetting your deck properly between rounds.
Consider when you finish you have a non-random stack of graveyard, permanents, and lands. You need to shuffle the graveyard and permanents back into your deck heavily.
Then go ahead and seed the lands back in. Now that sounds sketchy, but it isn't. Because after you seed your lands back in you need to shuffle from there, then your opponent randomizes. You can even pile again.
The problem I've discovered is piling and riffling doesn't effectively break up clumps of cards unless you have an infinite amount of time to do it. You've got a few moments at best to shuffle between games and you need to reset your deck, then randomize so you have no knowledge of the draw. That is ok as long as you shuffle after you seed. Try it out. You won't get nut draws, just more smoothly consistent ones. Not games where you keep drawing both of your 2xs.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 16, 2012 - 9:08AM
#156
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Yeah I think I just was a bit lax on the shuffle. I usually have REALLY smooth hands and draws with the deck.
With the homicidal, I think my list is pretty solid now. I'd like to squeeze in a couple gambits but I don't know what to cut, and the phyrexian mana is tight considering I'm running 4 growths. I'm going to keep 2 stingers in the main and side them with vatmothers if I come across chumps or gut shot. I like them because they're so cheap, and easy to hook up with livewires, which is why I run undying evil over postmortem. The procs get even more disgusting with homicidal.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 16, 2012 - 9:30AM
#157
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Apr 25, 2008
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You don't need a full set of Lashwrithes, Livewire Lashes, AND 2 Homicidal Seclusions. You can probably get away with cutting the lashes... your deck will be a little less combo-ey but should still be good.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 17, 2012 - 10:41PM
#158
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Date Joined:
Aug 18, 2012
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Niche you are the man thanks for keeping mbi creativity alive being so close to rotation. I am looking forward to adding homicidal seclusions where before it would have never crossed my mind.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 17, 2012 - 11:09PM
#159
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Date Joined:
Aug 18, 2012
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What is your input on either liliana? Of the dark realms or of the veil.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 20, 2012 - 7:24AM
#160
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No problem, always glad to help.
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