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2 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2011 - 1:35PM
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If I steal a Obliterator from someone else and use it to block his 5/3 Phyrexian Crusader, what happens?
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2 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2011 - 1:36PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 19, 2003
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The person who controls the phyrexian crusader will sacrifice 5 permanents.
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2 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2011 - 1:48PM
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This is what I thought but our local level 1 judge said the Obliterator died with no sac'ing because the damage is in the form of -1/-1 counters.
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2 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2011 - 1:53PM
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Date Joined:
May 17, 2010
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That doesn't make sense. Infect (This creature deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters.)
It says it "deals damage"
Phyrexian Obliterator says: Whenever a source deals damage to Phyrexian Obliterator, that source's controller sacrifices that many permanents.
Infect creatures deal damage and obliterator makes the controller of a source that deals damage sacrifice that many permanents.
The form that damage takes is irrelevant.
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2 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2011 - 2:10PM
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that is the same thing I said-the damage form does not matter as long as there is damage being dealt. I lost that one but not this week! Thanks peeps.
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2 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2011 - 2:14PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 19, 2003
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Might be worth pointing out that Whispering Specter  's third ability would be completely useless if infect damage didn't counter as dealing damage.
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2 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2011 - 5:17PM
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Just in case you need it, here's your proof to show him: 702.88c Damage dealt to a creature by a source with infect isn‘t marked on that creature. Rather, it
causes that many -1/-1 counters to be put on that creature. See rule 119.3.
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2 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2011 - 5:41PM
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Just in case you need it, here's your proof to show him:
702.88c Damage dealt to a creature by a source with infect isn‘t marked on that creature. Rather, it
causes that many -1/-1 counters to be put on that creature. See rule 119.3.
He shouldn't even need a rulebook quote, it says so right on the card; he can just tell them to read it.
Infect (This creature deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters.) (emphasis mine).
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