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Hey all,

So I am looking to make a competative deck. And infect has been doing quite well. I saw this deck list and really like it.

Tell me what you think? What would you change? Would you say Liliana really needs to be in this deck?

Artifacts
2 Contagion Clasp
4 Lashwrithe
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Tumble Magnet

Creatures
4 Phyrexian Crusader
4 Plague Stinger
2 Whispering Specter

Instants
1 Dismember
2 Doom Blade
1 Tribute to Hunger
2 Victim of Night
3 Virulent Wound

Legendary Creatures
2 Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon

Planeswalkers
3 Liliana of the Veil

Sorceries
2 Distress
2 Tezzeret's Gambit

Basic Lands
20 Swamp

Lands
4 Inkmoth Nexus

Sideboard:
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Tumble Magnet
2 Spellskite
3 Phyrexian Vatmother
1 Whispering Specter
2 Tribute to Hunger
1 Virulent Wound
2 Black Sun's Zenith
1 Distress 

The deck does not need Liliana at all. -3 Liliana +2 Whispering Specter, +1 Tezz Gambit. She is still way overpriced for what you get.

See that's exactly what I thought! But two separate decks from pro players both contain her. there must be a reasons. Maybe its just the presence she has? Or the discarding effect along with whispering specter?

Oct 27, 2011 -- 12:14AM, Strykah wrote:

See that's exactly what I thought! But two separate decks from pro players both contain her. there must be a reasons. Maybe its just the presence she has? Or the discarding effect along with whispering specter?

It is literally nothing more than the fact many times tournament decks are thrown together at the last minute. Theres a good 5-6+ MBI decks from states that look nearly identical (with liliana's) because they took the idea from the Gerry T show. Those decks and people netdecking those exact decks are the only reason you're seeing her in deck lists. She's really not optimal in the deck.

I think a couple of you guys are being a bit unfair to Liliana.

She's not terrible here. I wouldn't say she's necessary, but she's fairly powerful even just as an Edict engine (i.e. taking some removal slots). I think I'd only want 2 maximum.

That being said, you already have 4 Crusader and 4 Whispering Specter at 3 cmc (and if you don't, you should, both of them are integral to effective Infect blowouts).

Hmm, I think I have come to the conclusion of not actually using Liliana. She is just too expensive for a she's not terrible here item.

I think I will deffo spend the money to make this deck. I just like everything about it!

Anymore ideas? Would you keep it the same minus the Liliana's? What about trigon of rage? PS, who do you make it link to the cards is it... something like [c] Cardname [c] ?? 

I also recently used my friend's B/G infect deck and found it to be quite fun and so decided to come out with a mono black infect.

Land

20x Swamp
4x Inkmoth Nexus

Creatures

4x Plague Stinger
4x Phyrexian Crusader
3x Whispering Specter
2x Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon

Spells

4x Virulent Wound
3x Dismember
3x Doom Blade
3x Geth's Verdict
3x Go for the Throat
3x tezzeret's Gambit

Artefacts

4x Lashwrithe
2x Contagion Clasp

what do you guy think about it ?

Yeah, thats the build I would go for I reckon. Has some more removal and no Lilians. Have you ever played with this Mono Black deck yet?

If so, how did it go? Did you find some match up's difficult?

So what do people thing of Trigon of Rage? 

Oct 27, 2011 -- 5:35AM, Strykah wrote:

Anymore ideas? Would you keep it the same minus the Liliana's? What about trigon of rage? PS, who do you make it link to the cards

Almost. [c ]Liliana of the veil[/c ] if you remove the spaces will be Liliana of the veil .

Instead of 3 Doom Blade and 3 Go fo the Throat, im going to run 2 doom blade , 2 go for the throat and 2 victim of night . It spreads what your 2cmc removal suite cant target over a wider range of creatures.

Trigon of rage : I would rather run contagion clasp. the +3 +0 is nice but being ablt to squeeze out that last poision directly appeals to me a little more.

EDIT: Postmortem Lunge seems to have been left out. Seems like a solid finisher.

this deck is just an idea cuz im still in the process of building up my U/B control but i may consider building this one after that, depending on my budget

Have you considered ichor rats and also core prowlers?  If you're dealing with budget, these are good options.  

The version I've been working on I run core prowlers, Corpse Cur, throne of geth, and then the critters you have.

Geth's thrown is basically a proliferate for 2 at the worst... best case is when you drop say core prowler it's a instant two counters out there, if you need that poison and the blockers out being able to feed your own artifacts going is priceless, which gets you around turbo fog etc.  With your inkmoth well that's also now a auto proliferate with a thrown of geth out as well...  Just some food for thought

i actually considered ichor rats but didn't know what to take out for them and i think the most expensive things to get would be the lashwrithe, blight dragon and the inkmoths for me. the rest should be quite cheap or i already have them.

one of the things I think would be kind of interesting to see, is just a straight up ramp to blightsteel colossus and inquisitor's flail ...  double strike 11/11 infect!

Use control and viridian emissaries and rampant growth to ramp to the 11 mana asap =p 

that would be epic to see but probably wont be easy to pull off i would think 

MBI wins because it's just so freaking fast and reliable. The spectre eats their hand, Lash means you're swinging for lethal with just about anything, you've got lots of threats coming and manalands if they remove stuff, and Skittles has haste when you need it... and the manabase doesn't cause mulligans.

Going off color for ramp, etc, as awesome as it would be, just means losing consistancy and the ability to end the game fast.

Niche, the crowned king of mono-black took MBI to a tournament not that long ago. I'd search that thread up. 

was playing against a turbo fog that did it pretty well.  Those Emissarys are pretty amazing rampant growth that generally gets delt with because it's  2/1 swinging every damn turn right off the bat. it's not too hard to see 9 mana by turn 5 but it's definatly not a easy cast.  you'd only have two of in the deck probably. 

oh and four solemn orichalums. 

So I think I am going to go with something like this:

I am missing 4 cards. What would you suggest?

Artifacts
2 Contagion Clasp
4 Lashwrithe
2 Trigon of Rage

Creatures
4 Phyrexian Crusader
4 Plague Stinger
4 Whispering Specter

Instants
1 Dismember
2 Doom Blade
1 Tribute to Hunger
2 Victim of Night
3 Virulent Wound

Legendary Creatures
2 Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon

Sorceries
2 Distress
4 Tezzeret's Gambit

Basic Lands
20 Swamp

Lands
2 Inkmoth Nexus (Because I can't afford the other two!)

Something you may consider is another virulent wound, and just increasing tribute to hunger count (lastly for love of pete use card commands, god I hate having to look at external sites for this crap!)

Oct 28, 2011 -- 4:57PM, lantzkev wrote:

Something you may consider is another virulent wound, and just increasing tribute to hunger count (lastly for love of pete use card commands, god I hate having to look at external sites for this crap!)

Yeah I could just up the count of those cards. Was just seeing if there was anything else.

Sorry about the links! only just learnt about the command!!!  

one thing I've been toying with is dropping a couple of the green phyrexian mana costed pump spells in here to boost the poison count very quickly even at the exepense of life.

You mean Mutagenic Growth ??

yeah of course heh, just swinging with one critter and tapping out, they'd deal with it if they could second you tap most likely. So you know that's a instant 3 poison counters when you use it.   I'm really looking forward to what can be done when the next set comes out.

Oct 28, 2011 -- 5:26PM, lantzkev wrote:

yeah of course heh, just swinging with one critter and tapping out, they'd deal with it if they could second you tap most likely. So you know that's a instant 3 poison counters when you use it.   I'm really looking forward to what can be done when the next set comes out.

But we have already got boosts in the form of lashwrithe and Trigon of Rage and being able to stop blockers with contagion clasp

Although I understand that Growth is instant and has the eliment of suprise

Not really a big fan of trigon of rage, i would rather pack in more creature destructions and what not but thats just me =)

1 x Dismember
2 x Doom Blade
1 x Tribute to Hunger
2 x Victim of Night
3 x Virulent Wound  

Don't you think that is enough removal?

I personally think that having the boost to the monsters attack is better than having more monsters out. Also what do you guys think of  Surgical Extraction ? Good side or do you think I could get away with 2 side and 1 main? Or, non at all?

Cheers 

Throw in a copy or two of contagion engine. Trigon of corruption is nice as well.

Would you guys play Phyrexian Vatmother in the sideboard vs RDW?

Vatmother is a must against mono red. Stick 3 on the sideboard. Also, make no mistake Liliana is a must in this deck, no other card(s) complement this deck like she does. She's got removal and hand control in one 3 mana package, and a game ending ultimate which isn't hard to play with help from Gambit and Clasp. Scrap Tribute and Dismember and run at least 2 Liliana if you want to be competitive. Also, scrap the Clasps for Sword of Feast and Famine if you can afford it for a lock on mirror and mono green matches. If you do, make sure to run at least 3 Gambit's to make up for lack of proliferation. Don't run Nihil and don't run Tumble like all those no talent copycats, you don't need graveyard removal, this deck owns Solar Flare outright even without those cards. Just sideboard some Surgical Extraction in case you actually come across a decent Solar Flare deck (fat chance).

What is the best way to beat Wolf Run?  I run a version of mono infect,  and finding that the best cards are   despise   (stop those Garrucks),   distress (to remove their beast within or garrucks) and virulent wound (as they are so handy against the birds/elfs and the blinkmoths).  
 
Running in the main
4 despise
2 distress
3 virulent wound

Then if against wolf I sidebord in the full playset for each.

What other cards are ways to beat wolf run - that we should consider running in main or side to help take down the wolf?

The other cards in mydeck:

4 Phyrexian crusader
4 Plage stinger
3 whispering specter
2 skitriyx
2 vatmothers
4 lashwrithe
2 trigon of rage
2 tezz gambit
3 victim of night
2 drowned catacombes
4 inkmoths
18 swamps

Sideboard:
2 black sun zenith
2 distress
1 virulent wound
1 doom blade
2 go for the throat
2 surgical extraction
2 ratchet bomb
3 nihil spellbomb

I have never found red a problem. Vatmother just seems worse than the Crusader in that matchup anyway.

Since my current fav standard deck in standard atm is MBI, I must comment!


Mutagenic Growth I find meh, it's my only "ninja pump", 4 lashwrithes should do awesomely enough for pump, I'd rather drop the growths for more control, like Despise s and other stuff

Mutagenic Growth    is fun to run, block his 6/6 titan with your crusader slap the mutagenic growth on, survive the hit and leave his titan a measly 2/2 .

However it really does not complement the deck that well and it's a one hit wonder.    I'm running two trigon of rage.  but find there is no subsuitute for the Lashwrire.  Therefore a tez gambit IMHO is Better than a mutagenic growth in your hand.   However, it's your deck and you have to think about the meta you play.  It is not a bad card to have in the deck.