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2 years ago ::
Oct 12, 2011 - 3:53PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 30, 2011
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Why are you ignoring Myr Superion  ! What a great card for Heartless!
Why indeed!? I read the entire article waiting for him to start extolling the virtues of how great Myr Superion is in this deck. ಠ_ಠ
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2 years ago ::
Oct 12, 2011 - 4:07PM
#22
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Date Joined:
Feb 18, 2011
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according to deckbox.org:
Total deck value: $75.66
well if you really want more budget, take out the dark slicks - play with all basics then you save yourself 40 bucks and the total goes under 50, pretty obvious, its not like hes making a deck with 4 lilianas, 4 snapcasters and 8 swords, - chill lol.
I'm not going to say that the deck isn't budget without the duals. I'm only going to say that the argument "Well, he's not running the four most expensive cards around as four-ofs means he's building on a budget" is pretty flawed. So a budget deck is anything that costs less than the single most expensive possible combination of cards?
well yea, ofc not- i was exaggerating a bit there. I just assumed that stating the price of the deck (without examining anyway to make it more budget) was implying that they felt it was over budget. The ways to make the deck cheaper here are pretty obvious though, so there shouldn't be any attempt to try and call this a non-budget deck. I'm fine with JVL posting the most ideal cards for a deck sometimes, in the case someone has them or is wanting to go beyond and make the deck even better, and its a lot more understandable if these more expensive cards thrown in are not absolutley needed to make the deck work, but would help it run more optimally. i.e something like Darkslick Shores.
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2 years ago ::
Oct 12, 2011 - 7:00PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 19, 2010
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Bloodgift Demon over Rune-Scarred Demon for the first deck?
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2 years ago ::
Oct 12, 2011 - 7:03PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 30, 2011
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I thought the whole "destroy all ur opponents creatures with perilous myr" myr was an awesome idea. You could have 4 copies of heartless summoning and four copies of glissa and 4 copies of perilous myr plus some black/green control like despise and sever the bloodline and naturalize. This is something that I am very interested in looking into. I want to see some matches to see how it works.
Also, love the inclusion of Glissa the Traitor. She is insane, and I don't understand why she hasn't seen more standard play (you get a 3/3 with first strike deathtouch for 3? and with that ability? it's insane!!!)
Another insane card with heartless summoning is Myr Superion
Any artifact with toughness more than 1 for two is insane in this deck.
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2 years ago ::
Oct 12, 2011 - 7:13PM
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Date Joined:
Nov 18, 2004
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"Possibilities abound, too numerous to count."
"Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969)
"Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or his new way of looking at things." --- Zapp Brannigan (Beast With a Billion Backs)
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2 years ago ::
Oct 12, 2011 - 9:57PM
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I thought the whole "destroy all ur opponents creatures with perilous myr" myr was an awesome idea. You could have 4 copies of heartless summoning and four copies of glissa and 4 copies of perilous myr plus some black/green control like despise and sever the bloodline and naturalize. This is something that I am very interested in looking into. I want to see some matches to see how it works.
Also, love the inclusion of Glissa the Traitor. She is insane, and I don't understand why she hasn't seen more standard play (you get a 3/3 with first strike deathtouch for 3? and with that ability? it's insane!!!)
Another insane card with heartless summoning is Myr Superion
Any artifact with toughness more than 1 for two is insane in this deck.
I've been working on a more red-centric Heartless Summoning deck that turns Priest of Urabrask  into a Dark Ritual  .
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
I think that, combined with Urabrask for T3 hasted everything, makes it the best bet.
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2 years ago ::
Oct 13, 2011 - 4:00AM
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Date Joined:
Jan 17, 2005
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Also, love the inclusion of Glissa the Traitor. She is insane, and I don't understand why she hasn't seen more standard play (you get a 3/3 with first strike deathtouch for 3? and with that ability? it's insane!!!)
Her mana cost is quite specific and includes enemy colors. So not a color combo played often, outside of pod, especially when there were no enemy color duals. Now with Innistrad in the mix, we might see a bit more B/G and she might see some play.
Another insane card with heartless summoning is Myr Superion
Any artifact with toughness more than 1 for two is insane in this deck.
Only if the card is also worth playing without the Heartless Summoning. The biggest problem with the card, really. The lower cost and -1/-1 sort of wants you to run bigger stuff or some sort of combo, but unless you've got another card that sort of fills a duplicate function (like Birthing Pod in a Heartless Pod deck), well, you need stuff that is playable without HS, in case you don't draw it or it doesn't stay on the battlefield for some reason.
Myr Superion typically isn't worth playing without HS. The need to run enough creature based mana to play it if you don't have HS, combined with most mana dorks dying if you do have HS, just so you get a vanilla creature that can be chumped easily?
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2 years ago ::
Oct 13, 2011 - 5:22AM
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Date Joined:
Mar 16, 2004
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Only if the card is also worth playing without the Heartless Summoning. The biggest problem with the card, really. The lower cost and -1/-1 sort of wants you to run bigger stuff or some sort of combo, but unless you've got another card that sort of fills a duplicate function (like Birthing Pod in a Heartless Pod deck), well, you need stuff that is playable without HS, in case you don't draw it or it doesn't stay on the battlefield for some reason.
Myr Superion typically isn't worth playing without HS. The need to run enough creature based mana to play it if you don't have HS, combined with most mana dorks dying if you do have HS, just so you get a vanilla creature that can be chumped easily?
Sure, but he's also running Palladium Myr  ! That can single-handedly cast Myr Superion even without Heartless Summoning  around. That sounds like the Superion should be, if not an auto-include, definitely a strong contender for the deck.
Anyway, it was a fun article. Even if it was very amusing to see that Ancient Grudge  is still undeniably tangible and existent: last week featured the silly assertion that "Ancient Grudge is a very real card", and this week brought us the exact same word-for-word affirmation of nonimaginariness!
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2 years ago ::
Oct 13, 2011 - 11:38AM
#29
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Date Joined:
Apr 25, 2011
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I myself have been brewing a JUND build of Heartless Summoning focused around land destruction. Between Beast Within, Acidic Slime and Invader Parasite that's 12 ways to attack the land at the price of Stone Rain.
Other good heartless combos:
G Viridian Emissary
R Priest of Umbrask
B Phyrexian Rager
1BB Blood Gift Demon
2RR Inferno Titan
BB Skin Render
4 Wurmcoil Engine
1G Tree of Redemtion
1(B) Phyrexian Metamorph
1BBB Massacre Wurn
BB Entomber Exarch
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2 years ago ::
Oct 13, 2011 - 7:08PM
#30
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Date Joined:
Oct 13, 2011
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Why no nevermore in the second deck? Seems like a quick solution to Ancient Grudge etc.
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