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2 years ago  ::  Oct 16, 2011 - 12:28PM #21
Burning_Forest
Date Joined: Aug 8, 2008
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just built a list from the GP and i'm very impressed with UB control.  i think it has the tools to beat a lot of stuff.  it actually feels much better than UW... something i realized just before i started playing states yesterday (ended up 5-2-1).

despise is a card i think has a lot of strength to it, which it was long overdue for.  we all know how lame it was last standard.

play a more instant based list than tap out feels far better too.
Blue is the best color ever.  How do you deal?

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 16, 2011 - 9:45PM #22
HeartlessNobody
Date Joined: May 11, 2011
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1 x Consecrated Sphinx
1 x Grave Titan
1 x Wurmcoil Engine
1 x Sheoldred, Whispering One
4 x Snapcaster Mage
     
4 x Dissipate
4 x Mana Leak
4 x Doom Blade
4 x Go for the Throat
4 x Think Twice
4 x Divination
3 x Black Sun's Zenith
       
10 x Island
7 x Swamp
4 x Darkslick Shores
4 x Drowned Catacomb   

alright well this is the deck i've been testing lately and while its doing okay it isnt doing as good as I was hoping so I was wondering what your ideas are to improve it. Should I run less four ofs so I have more diverse answers or do I have too many bombs or ya idk but thoughts?
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 16, 2011 - 9:59PM #23
XIII13Thirteen
Date Joined: Aug 14, 2009
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Getting some info out of MTGSalvation we are seeing UB make some decent showings. I've compiled the reports they are showing thus far. I'll look further in getting some of the high ranking deck lists.

States reported so far

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Alaska:
Wolf-Run
U/B
U/W
Tokens

Alabama:
1st: Infect
5 wolf run,
solar flare
uw

Arkansas:
2 Wolf Run Ramp (winner)
1 Bant Pod
1 Tempered Steel
1 Mono Red
1 Solar Flare
1 RUG

Arizona:
1st: UB
2nd: RDW
Wolf Run Ramp
Solar Flare
Solar Flare
Wolf Run
Mono-Black
Infect

California:
1st: Wolf Run

Colorado:
3x Tempered Steel
Tezz control
2x Wolf run
GW tokens
Esper control

Connecticut:


Delaware:
3 Wolf Run

Florida:
1st: Wolf's Run
Mono black infect
solar flare
red wolf ramp

Georgia:
1st: Wolf Run Ramp
2nd: Wolf Run Ramp
4th: Wolf Run Ramp
2x Solar Flare
1x Mono Red
1x Mono Black Infect
1x UW Control

Hawaii:
1st mono b infect
2nd gw tokens
4th solar flare
4th UW aggro with Angelic
8th Wolfrun red
8th solar flare
8th ??
8th mono red

Idaho:
1st UB Control
2nd Bant Pod
3rd UW Aggro
4th Wolf Run Ramp

Illinois:
1: UB
2: Wolf Run
3: Wolf Run splashing Snapcaster
4: Wu Tempered Steel
5: Wu Humans
6: Wu Humans
7: Wolf Run
8: Bant Pod

Indiana:
1st: Geistblade
2nd: U/W Aggro
4th: U/W Aggro
4th: Wolf Run
8th: Hawkward
8th: Mage-Blade
8th: Vampires
8th: G/W Tokens

Iowa:


Kansas:
1st: Wolf-Run Ramp
2nd: Tia-go -- UWb No Tap-Out Control
3rd: Dungrove Kessig Ramp
4th: Naya Pod
5th-8th
Mono-Red
Wolf-Run Ramp
Tezzeret
Wolf Run


Kentucky:


Louisiana:
1st: Wolf Run Ramp
2nd: Wolf Run Ramp
3rd: U/B
4th: Wolf's Run
Runchanter's Pike Combo
Tempered Steel

Maine:
1st: Moorland WW
2nd: UW Aggro
3rd: U/B We all got Bruises
4th: Solar Flare
5th: Apple Pie (B/U/G)
6th: Solar Flare
7th: Bant Pod
8th: Solar Flare

Maryland:
1: Mono-B Infect
2: Wolf Run Ramp
3-4: W/r Tempered Steel
3-4: Wolf Run Ramp
5-8: RDW
5-8: Wolf Run Ramp
5-8: Wolf Run Ramp
5-8: ???

Massachusettes:
4x wolf runs,
2x UW
RUB contrl
UB

Michigan:


Minnesota:


Mississippi:
1) W/u Puresteel Paladin
2) Wolfrun Ramp
3) U/W Blade
4) Wolfrun Ramp
5) Wolfrun Ramp
U/W Blad
Bant Pod
??

Missouri:
1. Township Tokens
2. Wolf-Run Ramp
3. RUG

Montana:


North Carolina:


North Dakota:
1st: Wolf Run Ramp
2nd Solar Flare
Solar Flare
Bant Geist
RUG
Solar Flare

Nebraska:


Nevada:
Wolf's Run

New Hampshire:


New Jersey:
1st: Wolf's Run
2nd: Wolf's Run

New Mexico:
1)RDW
2)G/W Humans
3)Tempered Steel
4)BG Pod
5)RDW
6)G/W/U Tokens Control
7)?? Solar flare??
8)BUG Pod

New York:
GW Tokens (winner)
GR Wolf Run
WWu Humans
GWr Wolf Run
2 Solar Flare
UW Blade
Mono Black Infect

Ohio:
## RDW
## Wolf's Run Ramp

Oklahoma:
1x Solar Flare
3x Kessig Wolf Run
1x Mono-Red (Splashed green for kessig but was mono besides that)
1x U/W Control/Blade
1x U/R Control

Oregon:


Pennsylvania:
1st: W/U Destiny
2nd: 4 Color Birthing Pod
Wolf Run Ramp
Wolf Run Ramp
Solar Flare
4 Color Birthing Pod
RDW spash green for kessig wolf run
Grixis Control

Rhode Island:
1) blue green snapcaster/control
2) red deck wins
3) u/b control
4) u/b control
5) wolf run
6) wolf run
7) solar flare
8) 4-color snapcaster control

South Carolina:


South Dakota:
1: Geist blade
2: mono red
3: solar flare
4: mono red

Tenessee:


Texas:
1st: Wolf's Run
2nd: Wolf's Run

Utah:


Vermont:
1. Solar Flare
2. Wolf Run Ramp
3. U/W Blade
4. Wolf Run Ramp
5. RDW
6. U/W Illusions/Architect
7. Solar Flare
8. G/W Humans/Tokens

Virginia:
1 Township Tokens
2 Tezzeret Control
3 Township Tokens
4 Solar Flar
5 Bant Birthing Pod
6 Wolf Run Ramp
7 Red Deck Wins
8 Wolf Run Ramp


Washington:
1st: U/W Tokens
2nd: Wolf Run Ramp
4th: U/W Control
4th: G/W Tokens
8th: Solar Flare
8th: Wolf Run
8th: Wolf Run
8th: Solar Flare

West Virginia:
1 G/W Tokens
2 Mono Red
3 Wolf Run Ramp
4 Bant Birthing Pod
5 Wolf Run Ramp
6 Wolf Run Ramp
7 Solar Flare
8 G/W Tokens

Wisconsin:
1st: Wolf Run
2nd: Wolf Run
4th: W/U Geist-Blade
4th: W/U Geist Aggro
8th: Wolf Run
8th: Wolf Run
8th: Mono-W token
8th: W/U/B control deck

Wyoming:



CANADA

Alberta:
1st: U/B Control
2nd: U/R/b/g burning vengeance
4 wolf run
solar flare
u/b control
U/W either aggro or control,

British Columbia:


Manitoba:
1. U/B control
2. Wolf Run
3. Wolf Run
4. Mono red
5. Wolf Run
6. Wolf Run
7. Wolf Run
8. Solar flare

New Brunswick:


Newfoundland:
1st. RUG Midrange
2nd. RDW
3rd. RUG Control
4th. Solar Flare
5th. RG Ramp
6th. Solar Flare
7th. Solar Flare
8th. Solar Flare

Ontario:


Prince Edward Island:
1st: Solar Flare
2nd: UW Infect
Wolf Run
Heartless
Grand Architect
Geist deck
UB Control infect

Quebec:
1st: Tempered Steel
2nd: Solar Flare
3rd: RUG Pod
4th: RDW
5th: UW Golems/Shape Anew
6th: Solar Flare
7th: Solar Flare
8th: RDW
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 17, 2011 - 5:37PM #24
Burning_Forest
Date Joined: Aug 8, 2008
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UB top 4'ed in MN too

just was grinding out some practice on modo.... roflstomped GR kessig ramp.  this deck is siiiiick.  i love how its just all instant speed.

crazy as this sounds, i think i want to run a disperse or 2, somehow, somewhere.  geth's verdict seems increasingly important as more decks play hexproof stuff.
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 17, 2011 - 5:51PM #25
frankydizzle
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tribute to hunger > geth's verdict
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 17, 2011 - 7:31PM #26
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Oct 17, 2011 -- 5:51PM, frankydizzle wrote:

tribute to hunger > geth's verdict



maybe, but don't underestimate the power of 2 mana vs. 3 mana

my list so far:

Lands:
4 - Drowned Catacomb
4 - Darkslick Shores
9 - Island
6 - Swamp
2 - Nephalia Drownyard
2 - Ghost Quarter
27 Lands

Creatures:
4 - Snapcaster Mage
2 - Consecrated Sphinx
2 - Grave Titan
1 - Wurmcoil Engine
9 Creatures

Other Spells:
4 - Mana Leak
4 - Dissipate
1 - Negate
4 - Think Twice
3 - Forbidden Alchemy
4 - Doom Blade
1 - Dismember
1 - Wring Flesh
1 - Geth's Verdict
1 - Black Sun's Zenith
24 Other Spells

Sideboard:
1 - Negate
1 - Black Sun's Zenith
1 - Wring Flesh
3 - Despise
2 - Nihil Spellbomb
3 - Ratchet Bomb
2 - Spellskite
2 - Batterskull
15 Cards in Sideboard

man, do i love this deck.  wondering about adding a karn somewhere to deal with "stuff".

Blue is the best color ever.  How do you deal?

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 17, 2011 - 11:28PM #27
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I would go -1 Doom Blade, +1 Wring Flesh in your list, and replace the SB Negate and Wring Flesh with 2 more Nephalia Drownyard - you really really want all 4 in Control mirrors. Batterskull is better than Wurmcoil Engine in your list, given you don't have your own Phantasmal Images.

Is there a particular reason people don't like Victim of Night? I would run 2 of them at least before my first Doom Blade. 

Geth's Verdict v Tribute to Hunger; the latter is much better in Solar Flare, no contest. In this deck, isn't that hard so I could go either way with it. 

Nov 4, 2010 -- 9:11AM, Niche wrote:

Nov 3, 2010 -- 10:05PM, Razorgore wrote:

It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.



It should be about giving black cards to Niche.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2011 - 12:50AM #28
frankydizzle
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I strongly feel the 1 life is irrelevant on geths verdict, and the lifegain from tribute can change a game completely (or just keep you in one).

victim of night isn't terrible, but against rdw you can't kill a noble (or waif if it comes to that) and the only thing that is being played currently that doom blade doesn't kill is the occasional grave titan in the mirror. if the infect decks become a more common threat, then victim of night might share time with go for the throat, but doom blade hasn't been better positioned before now.

 
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2011 - 3:06AM #29
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Tribute is much better than verdict. Also, it's so easy to play red, which gives you stensia bloodhall as a draw go win conditions, and Gesitflame. If you're playing wring flesh, think about how much better gesitflame is? A lot better. The manabase easily takes another colour on board, over here in the UK it's what we have the best testing results with, since the draw-go shell takes on the midrange decks like flare and WRR, whilst the things like gesitflame make the RDW match up a lot better. We haven't settled on the perfect build yet, but it's getting there and I genuinely suggets trying out the Grixis build.

In terms of the drownyward for the control mirror, you also need the Extractions if you plan on using that method, since you disable key spells and remove lots of dead MD cards anyway. The Bloodhall plan works in a similar way, but is faster since it lets your snapcaster clock become relevant, and you randomly don't mill them into useful spells.

The loss of Quarter in the grixis build is not much of an issue since you have the gesitflames to kill nexi, which is fine. The only land you want to kill is an opposing bloodhall or a township.The tokens match up is hard because every card they draw becomes a serious threat, and they produce multiple creatures at a time. Slagstorm and BSZ are trying to work around the problems, but running Gravy Train as a proactive win con oncethe board is somewhat stabilized seems to be helping a bit.
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2011 - 4:42PM #30
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Here is the TCGPlayer report of states decks as they come in.

magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck_search_resul...
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