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2 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2011 - 8:52PM #1
PowerOverwhelming.
Date Joined: Oct 15, 2008
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Serra Ascendant . 6/6 lifelink, flier, first turn? Seems over powered to me.


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2 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2011 - 8:57PM #2
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Usually running out a turn 1 Serra Ascendant against 2 or more players is a bad idea. It turns the table against you, is fairly easy to stop, and requires quite a few turns to kill someone with it.

Its not bad in EDH, but like Sol Ring and Mana Crypt , being played against multiple opponents just makes it so much worse. (And Sol Ring and Mana Crypt are waaay better than Serra Ascendant) 
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2011 - 9:03PM #3
PowerOverwhelming.
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I suppose I see your point. Just a shocker card when I seen it come out right away.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2011 - 9:31PM #4
ShardFenix
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Sep 21, 2011 -- 9:03PM, PowerOverwhelming. wrote:

I suppose I see your point. Just a shocker card when I seen it come out right away.




It is a bomb on the first few turns, but overall not superpowered.  It is rather easy to destroy and unless everyone in your group runs it then seeing it turns 1 or 2 should be rare unless the guy is actively mulling for it or stacking his deck.

I like fun, but competitive decks.  So I might not play what is optimal but they have normally been tested to have a 2/3 winrate.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 22, 2011 - 1:40AM #5
McManic
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Sep 21, 2011 -- 9:03PM, PowerOverwhelming. wrote:

I suppose I see your point. Just a shocker card when I seen it come out right away.




ALso, in a 100 card singelton format, its not that likely that you'll have it on your first turn. Its till a good card, and most white duel-EDH decks i know runs it.

-The place you really wants to be scared of it is in 2 Headed Giant.

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2 years ago  ::  Sep 22, 2011 - 8:19AM #6
niheloim
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Sep 21, 2011 -- 9:31PM, ShardFenix wrote:

Sep 21, 2011 -- 9:03PM, PowerOverwhelming. wrote:

I suppose I see your point. Just a shocker card when I seen it come out right away.




It is a bomb on the first few turns, but overall not superpowered.


Even then only when you're not playing multiplayer.

Sep 21, 2011 -- 8:52PM, PowerOverwhelming. wrote:

...Seems over powered to me.




These are precisely the kind of card you want to be playing. The 'broken' card- ones that actually ruin games- are mostly all banned. What we're left with are the overpowered Necropotence s and Sol Ring s of the magic world to fill our decks with.

When playing Commander, before you add a card to your deck, you have to ask yourself:
"Is this card better than Rings ?"
If you play commander and don't have your deck[s] in the Decklist Compendium, maybe you should. Or if you're new or looking into the format, the compendium has some good advice for beginners as well as decklists.

3DH4LIF3

We should all have one of these playable from our sideboards
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 22, 2011 - 8:57AM #7
DOLZero
Date Joined: Jul 24, 2009
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The question I think you should be asking is why isnt Felidar Sovereign banned?

Of corse, I have no problem with either cards. Turn 1 Ascendant usually results in that player being the first to die.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 22, 2011 - 12:45PM #8
mastag
Date Joined: Mar 17, 2008
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Yeah, Serra Ascendant draws hate in multiplayer EDH, but in 1-on-1, when not dealt with, could swing a game in it's owners direction. I honestly don't like the card but complaining about it is like complaining about Magister Sphinx or Sorin Markov and they're nowhere near to be banned.


My EDH decks: Azusa, Lost but Seeking
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 22, 2011 - 3:44PM #9
scumbling1
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My group often plays with the Planechase variant rules, which leads to crazy first-turn plays: roll chaos  The Aether Flues , drop a turn one Darksteel Colossus ; two lucky rolls at  Shiv , ten power's worth of dragons. Neither of the lucky players in the scenarios mentioned went on to win those games they were involved in. The creatures they recieved on the cheap still weren't able to deal enough damage before someone was able to find an answer to them. And then the retribution came...

Getting an early Sundering Titan or Eldrazi titan would have been a bit different, as those creatures would have disrupted more than just life totals, and left lasting effects on the board even after they were answered.

Serra Ascendant's problem is that it just effects life totals. It's really efficient, but the extra damage it has to deal to multiple opponents with inflated life totals more than compensates for it's insane power-to-mana ratio. If it were smaller, but had a relevant disruption ability that 'turned on' by having 30 life, it would have beenn much more likely to get banned.

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2 years ago  ::  Sep 22, 2011 - 7:10PM #10
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there is a difference between very good and ban worthly
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