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12 months ago ::
Jun 15, 2012 - 12:45AM
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I remember when modern first started up everyone said noone will use bob cause nothing uses him blah blah blah.
Before modern even became offical bobs price skyrocketed and the first 6 months noone used it, now it needs to be banned? wow dude quite your complaining.
1) Who said that? Dark Confidant is has seen, is seeing, and will see play in quite literally every format he is legal in. Including Vintage. Whoever said Dark Confidant wouldn't see play in Modern is in a minority.
2) Did this really need a necro?
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12 months ago ::
Jun 17, 2012 - 7:59PM
#82
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Don't treat me like a "noob" for this question (although I only started playing this game 3 days ago), but can anyone explain to me the circumstances that make Dark Confidant a good card. To me it seems to be a slightly weak card with an ability that is too heavily priced in life to be an incentive to me.
If anyone can be bothered explaining, please do. =/
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12 months ago ::
Jun 17, 2012 - 8:34PM
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Don't treat me like a "noob" for this question (although I only started playing this game 3 days ago), but can anyone explain to me the circumstances that make Dark Confidant a good card. To me it seems to be a slightly weak card with an ability that is too heavily priced in life to be an incentive to me.
If anyone can be bothered explaining, please do. =/
The only life that matters is the last one. Card advantage is extremely valuable, especially to control players. A few life for a single card is manageable, and you can just kill him off or bounce him if needed.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 30, 2012 - 2:34PM
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Don't treat me like a "noob" for this question (although I only started playing this game 3 days ago), but can anyone explain to me the circumstances that make Dark Confidant a good card. To me it seems to be a slightly weak card with an ability that is too heavily priced in life to be an incentive to me.
If anyone can be bothered explaining, please do. =/
What can bob do?
he is cheap to play, he can swing for 2, he can block, he draws you cards, he is a target.
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10 months ago ::
Aug 17, 2012 - 6:17PM
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Just looking though this thread, I don't think it's great if only a handfull of stratergies are plausible, not everyone is into the meta game, ofc every deck clearly can't be optimised to equal perfection either, but wouldn't it be better to have at least a few top level statergies per color, that rotated around as new cards are relesed, several of which are more optimised vertions of less competitive statergies?
Also, I think in reguards to what was being said eariler, take the following vanillia two mana creatures, they are not based on any real cards:
1/2
1/3
2/1
2/2
2/3
3/2
3/4
4/1
Ban the few of thease (3/4 in this case) that seems wrong and there is more variety for players to build around, ban everything except the 1/2 and 2/1 and you get to the point of reducing the number of playable cards by banning instead of increasing it, which is only helpfull to slow down the format, whitch likely will need to occur as nothing ever rotates out of modern but it's a long way away. I don't see how removing cards from the very highest end of the power curve where the space of cards is tiny is a bad thing, in favour of the big chunk in the middle of the power curve where things are priced as would be expected and it's a ballenced matter of choice.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 25, 2012 - 6:14PM
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I remember when modern first started up everyone said noone will use bob cause nothing uses him blah blah blah.
Before modern even became offical bobs price skyrocketed and the first 6 months noone used it, now it needs to be banned? wow dude quite your complaining.
1) Who said that? Dark Confidant is has seen, is seeing, and will see play in quite literally every format he is legal in. Including Vintage. Whoever said Dark Confidant wouldn't see play in Modern is in a minority.
2) Did this really need a necro?
1: how ever long modern has been around then add 3 months before that, there was a topic about it in some forum cause modern did not have a forum then. Now I can recall a topic that was about 10 pages long with about 10 people talking about card prices jumping and how bob went from 20$ to 45$ litterally in 12 hours. Thoes same 10 people said that there was only 4 deck types that even used them.
2: well its better than starting another topic when one exists already.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 25, 2012 - 6:20PM
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8 months ago ::
Oct 26, 2012 - 6:41AM
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Bob isn't worth bann. His drawback makes you to build aroud him. I experienced several times, that it killed his owner. His ability costs you 7 life during the game, which is quite a lot. He is good but not overpowered
The Goyf is totally different. He became almost auto-include in every deck playing green.
Unfortunately, these auto-includes ruin the format for me. My idea of healthy and funny format is that you should encounter a lot of different decks and cards. Today's Legacy and Modern are boring as hell. You always encounter the same few decks and the same cards. The actual number of cards played in Modern and Legacy is horribly low compared to the cardpool available. This also leads to horrible price of the most played cards. All of you who argue that they are worth the investment: You know, not everybody is rich, not everybody is from Germany,America,Japan..etc., not everybody lives his life only for MTG. I agree that if you want to be a pro player, you must make some investment, but this policy totaly closed MTG tournaments for most of MTG players (the pros ale only a small fraction). There are no budget limited tournaments ( I would really like to visit some tournament with lets say.. 20-30 bucks limit for a deck ). You can't enjoy playing competitions if you are not willing to spend hundreds of bucks for a deck.
The boring field and the price of constructed tournaments forced me and several my friends to stop or not start competitive MTG except drafts.
Fortunately they banned Jace, Mind Sculptor. He was the biggest mistake ever printed. Practicaly a card that can win on its own.
I support banning goyf and several overpowered cards that are not connected with some strategy. It would make the modern enviroment more fun.
I always play some cards to deal with goyf, so its not really a problem for me in the meaning of power. But I am bored as hell. The MTG (and even competitive MTG). Should be more about fun !
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8 months ago ::
Oct 26, 2012 - 9:40AM
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Scrubs lead to banning. Banning leads to stagnation. Stagnation leads to boredom. In all seriousness, though, I don't think there's a single argument for the banning of Goyf that I haven't heard yet, and "It's so expensive" is used way more often than should be reasonable. Yes, Goyf is overpriced. It's getting a reprint. A somewhat limited one, but a reprint nonetheless. That's the thing. Wizards seem intent on Modern not going the way of Legacy and slowly dying to the high entry price. As for power level concerns? I could go "loldiestoremoval", but most creatures do, so that's stupid. Instead I will point out that Goyf, on its own, is not a broken card. It's not an enabler. Look at the banning of Survival of the Fittest  in Legacy a year or so ago. Was it broken without Vengevine  ? No, Survival was only broken when paired with VV. Doesn't that mean VV should be banned? No, because Survival is the enabler here, not VV. Over time, there is a high risk that another creature would appear which had an equally overpowered combo with Survival. The other way around is far, far less likely. In my opinion, a card is broken when you have to either play with it or play dedicated hate to beat it. Goys is not such a card. It's just a dumb beater. Probably the best blue card in the format now, but still a dumb beater. Confidant is also fine, but that one's not one I see brought up so often, so eh.
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