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1 year ago ::
Nov 29, 2011 - 3:24PM
#61
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Date Joined:
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The thing is with any such format - entry cost.
Running black - need thoughtsiezes
Blue vend. cliques, or cryptics
Green - goyf or GTFO...
I know standard is silly to even attempt to play competedtively in terms of cost (unless you draft 3/week) but the eternal formats require a high level of investment.
That is just not the case right now in modern. Okay, in blue you sort of need Snapcaster Mage  (but not the others you mention), and if you want to run green you would be better off running Goyf, but in the three other colors you do not have "must have" cards. Thoughtseize is great and all, but most games IoK will do just as well. Elspeth and Gideon are fantastic late game finishers, but not all white decks will be better with them. I can't even think of what is close to a "must Have" in red that is not $1 or cheaper.
The only close to "must have" in Modern right now are shocklands and Fetches, and it is possible to make due without them and build up. Good multi-color mana bases have always been an investment in eternal formats, and Modern is no different.
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1 year ago ::
Dec 22, 2011 - 3:35AM
#62
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Dec 23, 2010
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i hate the timeshifted frame, not to mention the art itself; i'd be glad simply to never see this card again.
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1 year ago ::
Dec 23, 2011 - 11:45AM
#63
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Date Joined:
Nov 18, 2003
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i hate the timeshifted frame, not to mention the art itself; i'd be glad simply to never see this card again.
I agree with you that the card is UGLY (it ain't got no aliby), but for me that is a god reason to reprint it.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 23, 2012 - 9:18AM
#64
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Date Joined:
Mar 14, 2005
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Banning vanilla creatures is totally unnecessary, and it would be an outrage if even remotely considered.
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This issue comes up on every discussion about banning/unbanning cards: there always has to be a best of something. Accept it. You often see arguments like " Goyf  is the biggest 2-Drop creature ever, he needs to be banned because he's too efficient."
Banning vanilla creatures is totally unnecessary, and it would be an outrage if even remotely considered.  Haha, that made me laugh, but this discussion is silly.
It's the banning only semi doesn't-make-sence. Wizards probably look at the top 8 rankings and if the same card is being played in- say- five of the top eight decks. They probably ban it outright just so there is devirsity in the format. Who knows Modern is still pretty young, after the current "top cards" see some play maybe in a year the ban list will add some and then maybe they'll remove some.
That being said I'm curious out-side of Bob and Goyf. Who is the next top rated 2 drop?
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1 year ago ::
Jan 24, 2012 - 9:56AM
#65
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Date Joined:
Mar 12, 2006
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Banning vanilla creatures is totally unnecessary, and it would be an outrage if even remotely considered.
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This issue comes up on every discussion about banning/unbanning cards: there always has to be a best of something. Accept it. You often see arguments like " Goyf is the biggest 2-Drop creature ever, he needs to be banned because he's too efficient."
Banning vanilla creatures is totally unnecessary, and it would be an outrage if even remotely considered. Haha, that made me laugh, but this discussion is silly.
It's the banning only semi doesn't-make-sence. Wizards probably look at the top 8 rankings and if the same card is being played in- say- five of the top eight decks. They probably ban it outright just so there is devirsity in the format. Who knows Modern is still pretty young, after the current "top cards" see some play maybe in a year the ban list will add some and then maybe they'll remove some.
That being said I'm curious out-side of Bob and Goyf. Who is the next top rated 2 drop?
You obviously didn't play Modern much. Nactal shoved aside almost every other turn one, two, and most of the turn three creatures that were available, simply because it WAS so good as a vanilla creature.
As for the next rated 2-drop, I would vote Smother. One of the best pieces of Removal in the format.
(at)MrEnglish22
"still a better Commander card than Emmara Tandris"
-On the topic of Squire
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1 year ago ::
Mar 21, 2012 - 5:21PM
#66
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Dec 26, 2009
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Tarmogoyf 100$ ok thanks bye!
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1 year ago ::
Mar 22, 2012 - 1:44PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 14, 2011
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Tarmogoyf 100$ ok thanks bye!
You necro'd something from two months ago to add nothing to the conversation? Awesome dude, thanks!
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1 year ago ::
Mar 23, 2012 - 4:57AM
#68
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Date Joined:
Dec 26, 2009
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I don't care, i'm just angry because I cannot play Modern.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 23, 2012 - 9:51AM
#69
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Date Joined:
Jun 14, 2011
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I don't care, i'm just angry because I cannot play Modern.
If that is true it sounds like a skill problem. There are budget Modern decks, just not 'Goyf or Bob.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 24, 2012 - 6:49AM
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I was going to make a thread about this myself, but since one is already here, I'll post my thoughts.
First off, Tarmogoyf is the most broken green card in Modern right now. For two mana, you can have a 3/4, a 4/5, a 5/6 or a 6/7. There's no way to prepare against that. You have to hope you draw a Maelstrom Pulse or a Path. Players don't even need to cast him- he can be brought into play at EOT through Aether Vial. Normally, you'd have to pay lots of mana or run Birthing Pod to get a big creature.
Secondly, you can find him with a Bloodbraid Elf's cascade effect. In this case, you're not even paying mana for it. If someone has a counterspell in hand, what do they counter- the powerful creature or the one with haste? It's a pretty safe bet that no one's going to run Double Negative, so getting a really powerful card for free just shouldn't happen.
The issue here isn't one of price- there are other competitive strategies which are affordable. The issue is that Tarmogoyf is a creature better left to Legacy where there is a strong countermagic presence, something you don't have in Modern. Most blue decks will run Vendillion Clique, which can put a Goyf on the bottom. However, with cascade lurking, it doesn't even matter all that much. The one card that makes Zoo overbalanced is Tarmogoyf, and it should be banned.
As for Dark Confidant, he doesn't do anything much by himself except find a win condition faster. If that condition isn't there, he isn't playable. I think the answer is to leave Confidant legal and ban Tarmogoyf.
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