the most retarded thing ever is to have a 30 card banlist within one major tourny... "Lets ban EVERYTHING, so we can let the format grow"....what FAIL logic is that? its like having a baby/child growing inside a box...
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Thanks! Where do PRE's get their prizes from then? >.>
Green Sun's Zenith is overpowered due to the fact that it’s a recurring tutor, Zoo etc. would nearly always have what they needed each turn if not for the ban and they are now one of the strongest decks in the format.
Zoo already always has what it needs. I played against Zoo probably 30 times last week (mutiple builds), and I may have seen GSZ get played twice. Zoo does not need mana help from Dryad Arbor , it has $300 mana base to handle that, and it does not need help finding creatures because it runs so many. In those games I played Zoo was almost always swinging for 10 by turn 3, and it had 6-8 damage total from turns 1 and 2. When you run a deck that runs that many efficient creatures, you do not need GSZ. There may have been some Zoo varient (counter kitty maybe) that had fewer efficient creatures and there for may have used GSZ more, but the vast majority run so many of the best creatures in all of magic that tutoring would be a waste of a slot.
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The problem with the modern banned list policy, is that there seems to be no logic behind it. In their motivation for banning gs zenith for example, DCI says that it tutors for early drops early and late drops late (Also, for reasons I don't understand, they say it reduces diversity). I mean, surely we all knew this at the besieged prerelease already?
In the next major modern tournament, there is bound to be a new line of 'best decks' , each with their with defining cards. Will that mean another 5 or so bans? Why are cards banned before there is any proof that they break a format? Why is anybody surpised that combo is the dominating archetype in the first tournament of a format, in which the metagame is still hard to predict?
A 20+ card banned list in a format that is only a few months old..... Wtf are the DCI doing? Assuming that they know, they at least owe the players a proper, detailed explanation of their aims and policy concerning the modern format in the future.
Green Sun's Zenith is overpowered due to the fact that it’s a recurring tutor, Zoo etc. would nearly always have what they needed each turn if not for the ban and they are now one of the strongest decks in the format.
Zoo already always has what it needs. I played against Zoo probably 30 times last week (mutiple builds), and I may have seen GSZ get played twice. Zoo does not need mana help from Dryad Arbor , it has $300 mana base to handle that, and it does not need help finding creatures because it runs so many. In those games I played Zoo was almost always swinging for 10 by turn 3, and it had 6-8 damage total from turns 1 and 2. When you run a deck that runs that many efficient creatures, you do not need GSZ. There may have been some Zoo varient (counter kitty maybe) that had fewer efficient creatures and there for may have used GSZ more, but the vast majority run so many of the best creatures in all of magic that tutoring would be a waste of a slot.
You maybe right, the point I was making was that GSZ is a recurring tutor that allows any green deck access to any creature they need at that time: be it Goyf for a beater, Dryad Arbor for ramp, or Trygon Predator or Qasali Pridemage for Artifact/Enchantment removal, Eternal Witness for recursion etc. etc. you must admit in a slowed format GSZ is a hugely problematic card for most decks.
haha never thought of that...but babies dont live in a playpen...they move around the house too =D
im just saying WotC are not letting the format grow in a healthy way... the logic of their bannings is like... "if u remove all the obstacles, dangerous objects away from the baby, he can grow healthily" therefore putting the baby inside a box and that itself is NOT healthy
thus it creates the mess right now...people who agree with the bannings are seeing it wayy too simple if you start banning decks as a whole, the format is just going to end up like "lets ban every single card, because one card is more powerful, faster than the other, thus its unfair competition"
infact, the whole modern format started as a mess, and it just became worse, and its GOING to get WORSE the judgment behind the card bannings is utterly stupid...they obviously dont use their brains we ban shoal infect and cloudpost today, tomorrow we will see aether vial destroying the format...
can't wait till christmas when we get a NEW STUPID BANLIST
if we really want to fix this mess, they have to unban most of the decks the only cards that needs to stay banned are the artifact lands, overpowered artifacts (chrome, skullclamp, top, jitte), and maybe a few other cards like jace ~you can take the guns out, but leave the toys in and floor uncarpeted~
If Wizards doesn't want any decks to be played, why did they make the format? Next announcement will be banning all Modern legal cards. Then the format will be fun.
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I like storm crow because I really like crows in real life, as an animal, and the card isn't terribly stupid, but packs a good deal of nostalgia and also a chunck of the game's history. So it's perhaps one of the cards I have most affection to, but not because "lol storm crow is bad hurr hurr durr".
Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.
Now, now. 1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".
Oh, it's a brilliant plan. You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat. Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit. He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee. "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk. He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy. He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right. Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms. "THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!"
And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.
The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?
I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.
Of course, the best use [of tolaria west ] is transmuting for the real Tolaria.
Absolutely. I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria , and I was finally able win my first game.
Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available. "No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.
Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.
I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.
Dymecoar:
Playing Magic without Blue is like sleeping without any sheets or blankets. You can do it...but why?
Omega137:
Me: "I love the moment when a control deck stabilizes. It feels so... right." Omega137: "I like the life drop part until you get there, it's the MtG variant of bungee jumping"
Zigeif777:
Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.
Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.
It's not only about control decks, WotC want to diversify the format by banning more cards? the stupidest way! there are always decks stand out after a banning list, what they do? ban another 8 cards in Dec. I just can't wait to see it!! and I quit modern anyway
Thanks! Where do PRE's get their prizes from then? >.>
A PRE is usually "sponsored" by a bot chain/store as a form of advertisement/karma/goodwill. Prizes are usually bot credits on said bot chains/stores. Sometimes an individual with "deep pockets" will sponsor such a thing "out of pocket".
If you look in the PRE section of these forums, you can see this in action.
...infact, the whole modern format started as a mess, and it just became worse, and its GOING to get WORSE...
I agree with this. I look at the now-defunct Overextended (IPA/7ED forward) format, with it's wild meta, crazy decks, and mega-fun events, and then have to wonder why wizzo's went with their version, and then proceeded to butcher their creation. They were wild & fun times: we were drinking honest to goodness white lightning, not this watered down pap for the masses called Modern. I personally have seen the players staying away in droves since Modern came to be.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. - Raoul Duke
It's just like government ask you to pay more tax and you don't have enough money, then they say:you don't need to bother what to buy. And It makes you happy
Gee, Wizards, maybe it's time to dial the power levels back a little, huh? It's like, every new set these days has 3 or 4 cards that need to be banned because they make a given format boring and no fun. Why don't you playtest this stuff a little.
