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2 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2011 - 8:45PM
#11
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Date Joined:
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The Tombstalkers are good, but I can't help but feel that Demigod of Revenge  would be better.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2011 - 10:37PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 25, 2005
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What about Bob? Your average CMC isn't to high, although hitting a Tombstalker might hurt.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2011 - 10:54PM
#13
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Date Joined:
Jul 28, 2009
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Pox in legacy would much rather have phyrexian arena  than bob  because of the amount of life you lose over the course of the game due to your own pox shennanigans. Still and yet, you're not playing pox  , so bob (who is better 90% of the time) might be better here....I agree that both warrant testing. I always feel sorry for myself when I play a deck with no draw engine...
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2 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2011 - 8:42AM
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Date Joined:
Apr 25, 2008
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Demigod of Revenge - You'll have a hard time getting to BBBBB in this deck. I find myself peaking at 3 or 4 and a colorless source.
Bob - Great Card. But I am running tombstalkers and shriekmaws. Those are some big hits to take on chance.
Phyrexian Arena - Definitely the preference. I'm considering something on this.
Life From the Loam and Crucible - I'm at 3 Dakmor Salvages now. These guys are enough to ensure landfall and effective Worm Harvests as games progress.
Death Cloud - The deck has pretty crappy matchups against... everything? I played that first and felt like I wasn't doing enough and death cloud wasn't hitting early enough to be effective. Smallpox does.
Liliana of the Veil - Indeed, she probably has a good interaction here.
Worm Harvest - It's just a degenerate late game plan. Considering cutting 1 to add a Dread Return. Thoughts?
Ultimately let me emphasize that this deck plays out of its graveyard very well... but it doesn't require it. If someone boards in Leyline then I just don't dredge as much. Stinkweed works as a very effective aggro answer... dakmor is still a land drop... and thug... well he's pretty awful staring down a leyline. All of this said I'm considering that the sideboard hold a few Phyrexian Arenas. G2 we side out the thugs... maybe a stinkweed... bring in triple arena and the more appropriate disruption/removal. There are plenty of games where a strong MBC build will handle Zoo just fine.... and a more disruptive MBC can gobble up the combo decks. But in a meta split so evenly you need to have a workable game plan against both G1.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2011 - 9:34AM
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Date Joined:
Jul 28, 2009
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All fair points, and dread return would definitely be worth a try...except it's been ban-hammered 
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2 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2011 - 11:03AM
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Date Joined:
Apr 25, 2008
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Snap. I thought they just banned the grave troll to hate dredge. Banning it AND Dread Return really trashed that deck.
That being what it is, who the heck boards Leyline for a completely crippled combo deck?
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2 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2011 - 11:33AM
#17
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Date Joined:
Jul 28, 2009
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I think a lot of players sideboard graveyard hate in modern because it's a generic answer to a variety of potential threats. When constructing a sideboard (particularly for a format that hasn't been fully explored yet) , people try to think about what angle they might be hit from that they might not be able to handle game 1, and 'graveyard' comes to mind. It'll probably go down in favor unless graveyard combo decks gain in popularity...right now most people fear 12 post, zoo, and poison.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2011 - 12:14PM
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Date Joined:
Apr 25, 2008
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I understand the premise of sideboard construction. But generally people won't waste slots to defend against things they don't need to anticipate unless they have free slots.
I guess my question really was, 'Are there any decks that would be crippled by graveyard hate right now?'
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2 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2011 - 12:56PM
#19
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Date Joined:
Jul 28, 2009
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living end  comes to mind...other than that, pretty much nothing.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2011 - 1:03PM
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Usually..i'll add some gv hate, especially to an unkown meta. But I know the one i'll be playing agaisnt are variants of Zoo, Cloudpost and i'm sure some u/w list may spring up. And I really like Tombstalker here, comes down after you cripple your oppenent for dirt cheap.
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