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2 years ago  ::  Sep 07, 2011 - 5:11AM #91
vtphoenix26
Date Joined: Oct 26, 2005
Posts: 52

Sep 6, 2011 -- 4:46PM, Nyktos wrote:

Sep 6, 2011 -- 4:34PM, vtphoenix26 wrote:

4) FNMs being weighted more than Thursday night drafts etc - Wizards considers FNM the most important play program for "acquisition". Do you guys know what that means? It means they want to "acquire" more consumers of their product.



I'm aware Wizards thinks that. I also think it's bullshit. My first sanctioned event was a Thursday draft. Why? Because I didn't have a Standard deck. I guarantee you that the fact that one was "FNM" and the other wasn't had absolutely no weight in the decision about which one sounded more interesting to me. A lot of stores run both a Standard night and a draft night. Either one can be Friday, and that one gets some neat promo cards, but in the end it doesn't really which one is on which day, right?

Well, apparently now it does, because the one that happens to be on Friday is worth three times as many PWPs.


New players might not know what Planeswalker Points are, let alone care about them, so that's absurd.

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2 years ago  ::  Sep 07, 2011 - 5:22AM #92
TobyornotToby
Date Joined: Mar 7, 2006
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The bigger problem about that is that more serious players with more serious decks will now go to FNMs to earn more points, meaning those events will lose their casual appeal.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 07, 2011 - 5:24AM #93
lathspel
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Date Joined: Sep 22, 2003
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I'm surprised that the reboot of DCI Rating doesn't take MTGO into consideration, what's the reasoning behind this?  These days, a major change to Magic that doesn't consider MTGO, sticks out like a sore thumb.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 07, 2011 - 6:39AM #94
sensiwo
Date Joined: Aug 28, 2009
Posts: 5
wow. this is definitely a big change for the game. not sure if it is a big blunder, but besides some upsides, this cannot be called "rating" anymore, because it just isn't. It's more a marketing trick than anything else, leveling always is, because it just rewards quantity. (and btw. if you take a look at the website you can already see how this "trick" is trying to motivate you ... " x points left for level x" ... kind of pointless) plus, for every grownup, this whole "what level are you" -thing is really, really childish.

This is not a rating system, it's obviously a selling system...and although I was never someone who cares a lot about it, it was still a indicator for your game skills. Everybody gets, that as a company they want to make money - who doesn't, but taking a mediocre rating system away from competitive magic and replace it with something like this cannot be good for the game at all.

For everybody mentioning the ELO system. I am a chess player too, and I can say, the ELO rating system works a little bit different than the DCI rating. In Chess, the ELO system also protects good players from random losses, because there is not just plus/minus points, there is also a factor based on your actual rating. The higher your rating, the less ELO points you can win and lose. This makes a big difference, because a good player can keep the variance very low. The DCI rating, however, made some really ridiculous things possible. For example, typically the one who wins Nationals has the highest rating afterwards, just because of that many wins in a row. In such a system, it's more than understandable, that competitive players want to keep their rating and don't play minor events.

So, if the intention was only just about rewarding players for playing, then i wonder, why just not change this little thing in an existing system. This would be way more professional than just rewarding stupid grinding.

As it is, it's definitely NOT about having a professional rating system for competitive playing, it's all about marketing and selling.

But in the end i guess, the old rating system was also as bad, so I think I do not really care at all. Let's see, how it turns out.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 07, 2011 - 6:42AM #95
konner359
Date Joined: Jul 8, 2010
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Sitting on Rating wasnt the worst thing ever. If you are good enough to Q for a PT and sat on your rating one of two things would happen when that PT came around. You play well and keep your rating where it was or you play poorly and your rating plummets. Thus earning you a spot on the next PT. It wasn't like people would earn a good rating years ago then play in every PT and not perform well. To stay on the PT you have to play well consistantly. I feel like people are imagining these magic players who don't play at all(because they don't go to FNM or other weekly tournaments) as people who are bad at the game. When in fact they test alot with friends and put more time into getting better through practice not going to a draft where barely half the field even knows what a signal is!

 Why does Wizards have to punish good players who want to have a life. And FNM 3x!!? As hard as it is to believe for WOTC, some magic players have lives outside of magic. A lot of top pros want to enjoy their weekends and go out with magic and non magic friends to do no magic things on friday night. Not be FORCED to play in FNMs where the metagame isn't up to par and the players suck.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 07, 2011 - 6:58AM #96
_Flin_
Date Joined: Jun 29, 2011
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Considering ratings invites to the Pro Tour:
For example Germany gets it's number of PTQ halfed, to 6.
Furthermore the number of GPs in Europe will be 3 in the first season of 2012, compared to 8 in the USA. Add to that big K-Value tournaments like the SCG-Open, and suddenly, as a German player, you are in the position that there aren't many high value tournaments around to get competitive points.

So expect to see an enormous rise of US Pro Tour participants. Because the Europeans will just lack the possibility to qualify via rating (due to the lack of high level tournaments), plus the number of PTQs is heavily reduced.

While the change overall seems reasonable (apart from the way too high FNM factor), this detail appears to anger a lot of the European players.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 07, 2011 - 6:58AM #97
Amarsir
Date Joined: Oct 28, 2006
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Sep 7, 2011 -- 5:22AM, TobyornotToby wrote:

The bigger problem about that is that more serious players with more serious decks will now go to FNMs to earn more points, meaning those events will lose their casual appeal.




I don't necessarily see that as a problem.  Yeah, the guy who got to be big fish in the small pond now has some sharks back in his waters, but on the whole it adds to the cosmopolitan nature of FNM.


What I liked least about the old rating system was when someone would just grind FNMs against a safe audience to get their ranking up instead of taking on real competition in something big.  Case in point: last weekend's PT mentioned John Stolzmann, who wasn't quite qualified after GP Kansas City.  So he flew to Wisconsin to play FNM for a few points since he knew his odds there. I don't know what impression the anecdote was supposed to give, but to me it sounded like "couldn't really qualify so he found a loophole."  (Nothing against John, that's just not the threshold I want to see.)


Now this new system would save a flight but only because any FNM would do.  The worst part has been made the standard.

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2 years ago  ::  Sep 07, 2011 - 7:19AM #98
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Imagine 2 cases for Competitive rating:
1. A player plays every day a draft for 8 people with an average result 1:2. For every such event he gets 4 points to his competitive rating this season. At end of season he gets 4*30 (days in a month)*4(months in a season)=480 points
2. Another player plays only once a week, but he wins every draft. For each draft he gets 10 points. At end of season he gets 10*4(weeks in a month)*4(months in a season)=160 points

And now some questions:
1. Who plays better and who gets more rating?
2. Who will get buys and invitations based on a rating?
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 07, 2011 - 7:29AM #99
konner359
Date Joined: Jul 8, 2010
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Thinking about the amount of magic im going to have to unwillingly play just to stay as competitive as I am now is literally sickening.

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2 years ago  ::  Sep 07, 2011 - 7:55AM #100
Pas2
Date Joined: Jul 23, 2003
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While the ideas behind the change are solid (remove incentives to stop playing events for high rated players, boost tournament attendance in general), as a European player the recent changes seem overall very negative. 

First of all, it seems clear that if you live in an area with smaller tournaments of all sizes and less tournaments overall, you're realistically never going to qualify for anything (apart from Nationals) with the PW points.

PT slots likely require several solid finishes per season from very large events (including the previous PT, so grinding in from the outside is extra hard) and it's very hard to compete with someone who can play a PTQ, say, every two weeks anyway when your country has 1 PTQ total for the whole season given equal opportunity to play FNM weekly.

With GP's giving out no PT invitations, it doesn't seem worth it to travel to GP's anymore since you'd have to attend and do well in several during one season to have any chance to get an invite through PWPs and without the PT slots of the GP, you basically need to make top 32 to even cover the costs of getting to the tournament. Previously doing well gave you a nice rating boost (that didn't go away at end of season) and a realistic shot at a PT slot.

The FNM champs slots are also most likely out of reach unless you live in an area that has large FNM's due to the double whammy of participation points multiplying by three and larger FNM's being more likely to have more rounds to score points.  

So, for a lot of places in the world it looks like the only thing the points will ever be good for is qualifying for Nationals and GP travel becomes a waste of effort unless you're in the position to be able to play 3 GP's or so during a season and PTQ's (of which there are now less of in Europe) now become the only reasonable way to get to the Pro Tour.
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