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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 1:51PM #31
zammm
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I mostly like the idea of the new system, but I think FNM has too high a multiplier. I attended four events in the last two weeks: two Constructed FNMs and two drafts that are held weekly on Saturday at the same store. The player pool for the drafts is typically stronger than the pool for FNM, since many of the weaker players who do show up for FNM don't do the draft. In both FNMs, I went 1-X (my Constructed deck isn't that hot), and in the drafts I went 3-0-1 and 3-0 respectively. Yet I got more points for my absolutely horrible finishes in those FNMs than I got for my fantastic finishes in either draft. What?

FNMs have much more in common with Launch Parties, Game Days, and Prereleases than they do with Competitive-REL events such as GPTs. Heck, FNMs are currently handing out the same multipliers as WPN Premium tournaments--that's right, FNMs are handing out the same multiplier as a type of tournament that offers qualifying tournaments and which requires an L2+ HJ and 100-plus player capacity. Something is wrong with that picture.


Other than that beef, though, I do like the system.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 2:22PM #32
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FNMs have much more in common with Launch Parties, Game Days, and Prereleases than they do with Competitive-REL events such as GPTs. Heck, FNMs are currently handing out the same multipliers as WPN Premium tournaments--that's right, FNMs are handing out the same multiplier as a type of tournament that offers qualifying tournaments and which requires an L2+ HJ and 100-plus player capacity. Something iswrong with that picture.




I don't see why there's anything wrong with that. Winning at FNM can award you an invite, which you won't get no matter how many pre-releases or launches or game days you win.

And it's always been a more competitive env. than any of the others.

Though I probably wouldn't have called them PW points.

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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 2:53PM #33
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Winning a 4 round FNM is worth MORE points than winning Legacy Champs.

There was a strech last year where I went
3 Legacy tournaments 9-1-1(ID) = 31 points
1 FNM round 1 bye (Which you get points for!?) then WLW = 33 Points

FMNs should not be worth 3x points. I am getting hosed hard for playing Legacy regularly instead of Standard.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 2:55PM #34
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Sep 6, 2011 -- 2:53PM, Leftconsin wrote:

I am getting hosed hard for playing Legacy regularly instead of Standard.


That's the point, Consumer!
Why the hell should Wizards reward you for playing in events that don't require you to replace half of your collection every year?

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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 2:56PM #35
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Sounds like an important change for the better and Wizards said it is ready to make changes as needed after "live testing", so I am sure that all the feedback after the first season will allow them to tweak it.

Just one important question: Would this not be an excellent opportnity to aggregate MTGO into the same points system? Unfortunately not everyone is fortunate enough to live close to a shop or a city with events (even a country), or simply their life schedules do not allow them to attend physical events. So why not give all this people a chance to work on their points at the same time?


Just food for thought... 

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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 3:07PM #36
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Sep 6, 2011 -- 2:22PM, phaseshifter wrote:

And it's always been a more competitive env. than any of the others.


Not around here, it isn't.

Sep 6, 2011 -- 2:56PM, GugaWedge wrote:

Just one important question: Would this not be an excellent opportnity to aggregate MTGO into the same points system? Unfortunately not everyone is fortunate enough to live close to a shop or a city with events (even a country), or simply their life schedules do not allow them to attend physical events. So why not give all this people a chance to work on their points at the same time?


Yes.

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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 3:14PM #37
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Sep 6, 2011 -- 3:07PM, zammm wrote:

Sep 6, 2011 -- 2:56PM, GugaWedge wrote:

Just one important question: Would this not be an excellent opportnity to aggregate MTGO into the same points system? Unfortunately not everyone is fortunate enough to live close to a shop or a city with events (even a country), or simply their life schedules do not allow them to attend physical events. So why not give all this people a chance to work on their points at the same time?


Yes.



Agreed. Not having reasonable access to an FMN is an extreme detriment.

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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 3:15PM #38
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FNM is stupidly overrepresented in this. I get why they want their flagship event to be worth a lot, but it just amazes me how I can look through my stats and see 20-40 points for FNMs and see less than 10 for Thursday night drafts that I did just as well in and, other than the day of the week, are the same damn thing.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 3:32PM #39
Kaxon
Date Joined: Aug 4, 2003
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Seems like a reasonable change.  I don't think the level names are very good though - the order of progression is not at all intuitive in a lot of cases.  I guess people will just learn the order, but I wish they had come up with better, more varied names.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 3:32PM #40
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You made a system that rewards bad players that play everweekend, and punishes pro's who hate playing FNM because they get nothing but a FNM card out of it. Now if you want to be a pro in magic you have to work and goto FNM's to keep up with the noobs. thanks wizards for throwing the casual competive player under the bus. I will probly be selling of my stuff. i went from being the top rated legacy player for my state to a lvl 36 sorc......
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