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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 11:54AM #11
konner359
Date Joined: Jul 8, 2010
Posts: 31
Lifetime rating means nothing right now. It is just a way to compare yourself with others. Would like to point out that FNMs are equal to the SCG circuit as it stands right now. That cannot be right.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 11:58AM #12
Bantman543
Date Joined: Apr 22, 2009
Posts: 50
ok but what about limited i know that was not talked about and that is the bread and butter of the shop the better player sell the pack and rares they win back to the shop and get what they need the shop sells those rares and in turn make money also this also rewards places that have a good judge presents cuz no sanction events with out them so it will be casual and u dont have any rating to go with it

i also have to say this cuz it is kind of needed the non conpetetive players dont want the big pros across from them they want there friends for me and my shop we live in harmony we non conpetetive players chat it up and throw cards down with the conpetive players all the time with out them having to worry about rating drop u are not going to make the pros show up at an fnm just cuz u want them to they are going to show up if they like the shop and the people that are there

ok now on to something that made me worried when i saw this ok  so what happens when all the pros end  up having points way up there ok so what are u going to do make more ranks i think u need one that is a conpetive number that goes up and down and a number for amount of play with that u can reward players that are good at the pro lvl and so they can get the byes but also show them them a score of there really ranking out in the world i looked at my ranking on this i just now on top of a dude that is like way up there in are area so keep the old one and use this to give invites and rewards  and the other for more high lvl things and it is only affected by the higher lvl things but the lower lvl things affect planewalker points is u can get players intersted in playing at higher lvls

yes this was a big rant but it is mine
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 12:04PM #13
G_X
Date Joined: Dec 17, 2006
Posts: 966
I read that entire article hoping that it would be a new form of Player Rewards. I was disappointed.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 12:09PM #14
sneakattackkid
Date Joined: Sep 5, 2008
Posts: 409
why did I just lose my 2 byes for the gp'es I was planning to go to in the 1st few months?  I don't play irl any more because I play on MOL now and I know I play more than the average player with 2 byes is going to have.  I feel kicked in the nuts by this announcement, and I truly hope it gets changed.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 12:17PM #15
Mobius_XI
Date Joined: Jun 1, 2008
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I don't mind this change. At the very least it will get a few of my friends back at FNMs instead of sitting on their bye-awarding ratings.
The only thing that I do not like about this, is the name... Seems like something less childish could have been thought up...
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 12:30PM #16
DrWorm
Date Joined: Nov 18, 2003
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Sep 6, 2011 -- 11:54AM, konner359 wrote:

Lifetime rating means nothing right now. It is just a way to compare yourself with others. Would like to point out that FNMs are equal to the SCG circuit as it stands right now. That cannot be right.



Byes, Invitations, and FNM championships are based on Competative Points:

Points from competitive events count toward your Lifetime total and  toward your Competitive total for the current Competitive Season.  Depending on the type of event, points from competitive events may also  count toward your Friday Night Magic total or your Professional total.



So depeding on the types of events you attend and earn points at, you will recieve benefits based on that for that season.  This is really great because you cannot milk FNM for points to get you to pro-tour, and you cannot milk sanctioned casual events to get a bye at Nationals.

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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 12:32PM #17
Cerelius
Date Joined: Nov 1, 2007
Posts: 72
All in all, I think this is an amazing change. I will start a long winded story below, but just a few point:
1.) This is awesome. I fully support a system that promotes playing rather than not playing.
2.) I think this is unfairly weighted to FNMs over weekly drafts/events. Many Magic players have social lives that generally take over their Friday Nights. I've had issues with the focus being on Friday in general, as I think it promotes a isolation of players from their non-player friends. "Punish" is probably too strong of a word, but I feel like this system almost punishes people for playing on other days of the week. We have an extremely competitive group of players that draft on Thursdays who have non-Magic social lives that causes committments on Fridays. Can't we enjoy Magic and have social lives as well? Magic shouldn't have to be your sole social life resource, in fact, it shouldn't.

My tale of ratings woe:

This ratings system sounds exciting. It may be too late to save me, but it could help others. I was a victim of ratings sitting. Understand, my rating wasn't amazing, but enough to get me some Byes at some GPs, etc. I learned quickly the role of variance and how punishing it is at casual more casual tournaments with players with much lower ratings. I recall going 3-1 or 4-1 and losing points. For the most part, it wasn't worth playing. However, when I had a fully powered deck, I would throw caution in the wind and lose some points. It was a cost of having fun.
However, I drifted out of the game, but made friends with fellow players. We played some casual games, but they tried to convince me to play in FNMs, which, are usually T2. As many know, getting back into the game through T2 can be extremely difficult due to T2 card costs over the last few years. But, with my rating as it was, to go 2-2 at such an event would be devastating to my rating. So, I sat out over and over again. Call me foolish, but I wanted to protect my rating, afterall, if I was going to get back in the game, I still wanted my GP Byes, etc. Well, I sat out too long and basically fell out of the game. Instead of playing a deck with Jace or whatever the current $40+ 4x rare was, I sat out, and then more or less left the game. I managed to protect my byes, but it cost me leaving the game. Foolish? Probably. Stubborn? Definitely. But from what I've heard, it happens a lot.
Over the last few months I've been doing some drafting. Maybe I'll be back, maybe not. Magic was a big part of my life that I really enjoyed. Things are very different now, different priorities, etc. But, if anything will have me back playing at a constructed event with a half-complete deck, this new system will do it.
Kudos to the DCI and friends. I hope this new system works well and is a huge success. Hopefully it keeps people playing and not sitting out.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 12:40PM #18
DrSylvan
Date Joined: Jun 1, 2007
Posts: 92
Why not just have the rating system be driven by events instead of by match win/loss? So you win points for 51+% match win record, lose points for less, and have the number of points driven by the amount in either direction (e.g., 4-1 equals more points than 3-1), the level/size of event, and the average rating of your opponents. This would let a pro go 2-1 in an 8-person FNM draft and still not lose points---any Spike should have no objection to losing points for a losing record, and it has the same incentive not to 0-2 drop as the PW points, since 3-2 or 4-2 reverses the loss into a gain, even if Top 8ing is impossible.

I've only ever checked my DCI records out of curiosity about my sanctioned lifetime match record against specific regulars at my local FNM, so I basically don't care about my rating, but the event-record-driven over match-driven or participation-driven points seems better, and I haven't spent all that much time on it.

Oh well, either way, I hope this encourages people to play. We'll see how it goes.
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 12:41PM #19
Vaarsuvius1
Date Joined: Apr 24, 2008
Posts: 651
At first glance , this system is silly.  I did play in a couple of Pro Tours, Grandprix and one Worlds. However I never actually achieved notable results.  But......  I play since 1994....  This means I am way up in the lists, I even almost make it to worldwide top 500.  When in reality I am more like around the top 5000 (or these days top 10,000 , as my level of play has dropped) 

I recognize more names like me. Old timers that kept playing. So take any life time list with a big grain of salt.    However, you can click on the ´Professional´ Tab.  Then you filter out people like me, so that gives a better result. (although such a list will still be full of  retired pros)

Anyway.  Being a lvl 43 or 44 won+t give me anything.  As I understand invites and other advantages will always be based on seasonal results and not on life time results.   So being good as this game in 2003 won´t give anybody anything in 2011.

Al together, after some thought  I kinda like  this system.  I´ll give it a chance.

 

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2 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2011 - 12:42PM #20
GUnit
Date Joined: Apr 28, 2011
Posts: 1
I'm probably selling my cards (cardboard and virtual) and quitting magic because of this. I'm competitive, but I have a full time job.
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