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2 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2011 - 6:09PM
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Blazing shoal surely deserves to be banned. The combo fizzles to removal, yeah, but most of the deck revolve around protecting it and the permission it uses is hardly useful against it. It's true that there are no real free counters here, so the logical consequence is that there must not be free "I win" cards.
On another topic, I fail to see why 12post deserve to be banned. A pro tour is the most reliable evidence for power level, and 12post failed miserably. If it were truly broken, instead of watching people beating it with vastly different decks we would have seen pros fighting to have the best version of the mirror match. No one on their senses is going to pick up their Vesuvas right now that the meta has hated them out; furthermore, it provides a good service for the metagame as it guarantees that we won't ever see a Cawblade disaster again. Unban Misstep, Mystic, Visions and Jace, we'll be always ready to annihilate them for six.
If Limited gets in the way of printing good Constructed cards...
Screw limited
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2 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2011 - 11:14AM
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Blazing Shoal should probably be banned, yes. Inkmoth Nexus is another possibility but I doubt they'd hit a recent card in Standard. I'd say ban Blazing Shoal / Rite of Flame / Emrakul - 12 post still exists but you can use removal against it, then unban Ancestral Vision.
Re Hit / Run hype: note the line on Emrakul that says "take another turn." And "Annihilator 6." And the fact that most 12-post decks play Overgrown Battlement, Wall of Roots, or both. It's fine if you have a dominating board position and can afford to leave 3 mana up constantly, and have somehow removed 12post's walls... but yeah. That's a lot to ask for.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 17, 2011 - 10:06AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 23, 2010
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Well... I think I need to eat some crow about my initial post on the subject. Blazing Shoal  isn't overpowered by itself, but the interaction with Inkmoth Nexus  and Blighted Agent  is undeniable, which makes it a matter of banning 2 unbroken cards, or banning 1 unbroken card which have too much interaction, and since Blazing Shoal costs a 2 cards, but no mana, it's the prime suspect. It's actually pretty funny because if someone would have told me that the Shoals and Pacts would become a new format's menace because they don't need mana, I would have been very skeptical. However, I don't think removing Shoal or Cloudpost/Vesuva and unbanning the likes of Jitte is going to put the format on a better path, nor do I think Preordain  or Ritual bannings is going to make it any better, nor do I think that the Storm mechanic is what will make a mess of it. But that's a different discussion which should probably be carried out in it's own thread after all of the whining and moaning a'la Levin are done.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 19, 2011 - 10:17PM
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Date Joined:
May 12, 2007
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After reading this post I'm wandering if some of you could give me some lotto numbers maybe, cause that is just uncanny to read after the updated banned list.
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2 years ago ::
Sep 20, 2011 - 8:52AM
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The bans were a little bizarre... but I think it might be interesting to have WotC stomp on a format repeatedly until the tiers are flattened out from a triad on top. I'd like to see 10 competitive options....
Keep stomping... this is kinda fun.
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