You could get a 5 x /6 for 2 mana, faster, if that is really what you want to do, but goyf is only ever a 4/5 mid-game. Zoo is about speed, so I can see running faster stuff in goyfs place successfully.
Goyf is the perfect contingency plan for a deck like Zoo, and single-handedly dictates how the deck was built. I appreciate your optimism, but Tarmogoyf isn't a $100 card because he's just kind of nifty or simply exchangable with another creature. Goyf puts all other bears to shame, because it doesn't have a conditional summoning, it's power and toughness scale quickly and if it's unanswered it ruins games. Wild Nacatl can do it's share of damage on the fly, but the threshold between Goyf and Nacatl (among Nacatl's alternatives) is what makes it so overbaring and oppresive (even moreso than Umezawa's Jitte , Sword of the Meek , Golgari Grave-Troll or Stoneforge Mystic ). It is simply the perfect storm of value-green small creatures.
You can sing the praises of goyf all you want, but that doesn't mean a zoo deck without him can't compete. I can have a myr on the board more consistently than you can have a 4/5 goyf, and my myr will beat your goyf up. Think outside the box sometime. Netdecks win because most of the meta is netdecks, not because there aren't better choices.
You can sing the praises of goyf all you want, but that doesn't mean a zoo deck without him can't compete. I can have a myr on the board more consistently than you can have a 4/5 goyf, and my myr will beat your goyf up. Think outside the box sometime. Netdecks win because most of the meta is netdecks, not because there aren't better choices.
I'm going to call shenanigans on this entire paragraph.
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You can sing the praises of goyf all you want, but that doesn't mean a zoo deck without him can't compete. I can have a myr on the board more consistently than you can have a 4/5 goyf, and my myr will beat your goyf up. Think outside the box sometime. Netdecks win because most of the meta is netdecks, not because there aren't better choices.
I'm going to call shenanigans on this entire paragraph.
This.
Goyf is just one of the best 2-drops to ever be printed. It's possibly the single best one in the Modern format. Myr Superion, on the other hand, is pretty bad and inconsistent.
One *can* argue that in a combo-based metagame, raw aggro power isn't enough to win, however. I *could* see some lists opting for a large number hate-bears in certain metas - possibly even complimenting their 2cc-hate with Bob rather than Goyf to draw into them more often.
That, however, would be a very drastic metagame call. Overall, Bob and Goyf go very well together, because the Domain Zoo decks capable of playing both usually top out at 2cc anyway, so there's still room for Meddling Mage or Pridemage or Teeg or whatever hate-bear you want to play.
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You can sing the praises of goyf all you want, but that doesn't mean a zoo deck without him can't compete. I can have a myr on the board more consistently than you can have a 4/5 goyf, and my myr will beat your goyf up. Think outside the box sometime. Netdecks win because most of the meta is netdecks, not because there aren't better choices.
This is going to be to sound mean and all but really, we don't care at all what rogue deck you are ranting and raving about and why your myrs are oh so great. And the reason why is because that Myr has never won a tournament on the other hand goyfs have carried many things on this disproportionally costed backs. So yes your Myr may be better(it's not by the way, but who knows maybe one day you will come up with some awesome tech) but it hasn't won any tournament and has no standing in the meta and I can assure you it's not because no one has ever seen the Myr it's because it's bad.
Netdecks are something that have gone through extensive testing and have proven to be consistent something your Myr is not.
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You can sing the praises of goyf all you want, but that doesn't mean a zoo deck without him can't compete. I can have a myr on the board more consistently than you can have a 4/5 goyf, and my myr will beat your goyf up. Think outside the box sometime. Netdecks win because most of the meta is netdecks, not because there aren't better choices.
This is going to be to sound mean and all but really, we don't care at all what rogue deck you are ranting and raving about and why your myrs are oh so great. And the reason why is because that Myr has never won a tournament on the other hand goyfs have carried many things on this disproportionally costed backs. So yes your Myr may be better(it's not by the way, but who knows maybe one day you will come up with some awesome tech) but it hasn't won any tournament and has no standing in the meta and I can assure you it's not because no one has ever seen the Myr it's because it's bad.
Netdecks are something that have gone through extensive testing and have proven to be consistent something your Myr is not.
Well we're talking two extremes here. Myr is extremely bad, goyf is extremely good, but I would say one doesnt have to copy a netdeck in order to win a tournment, either. I mean someone posted above about some alternatives to goyf and I said that maybe you dont need to run the full playset for the deck to be competitive. My point is that netdecks are overrated in alot of people eyes because some rogue decks do win tournaments(though obviously not myr decks).
Yes, you can win a tournament with a homebrew. However, by trying to replace a strong card in a net deck with a weaker card is not homebrewing, it's bugdeting which makes your list worse. IF you're looking for a better two mana beatstick, you won't find one, so no, you can't replace it.
You can build a very different deck that doesn't need it, Kavu Justice springs to mind. But trying to cut and paste somethign for goyf is a fail.
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