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Flag WotC_Monty August 30, 2011 4:49 PM PDT
This thread is for discussion of magicthegathering.com's Magic Arcana, Card of the Day, and Daily Decks features for the month of September, 2011.
Flag Lizard2033 August 31, 2011 9:02 PM PDT
I don't get why the FNM promo is a card that's rotating in a month. This would have been cool a year ago.

I know the process of desigining and printing these takes time, but surely you know certain commons/uncommons that will be hits?
Flag raadface August 31, 2011 9:02 PM PDT
wow, kinda late isnt it?
Flag Amarsir August 31, 2011 9:30 PM PDT
They always do that.  Wasn't Terror a promo after it was already replaced by Doom Blade?
Flag wormmaster August 31, 2011 10:17 PM PDT
Usually the card is already gone from standard or close when they print it. It's a shame that this one is nothing special though. Cards like Pridemgage, K Grip, & Brainstorm are all legacy staples so they still get a lot of mileage. Unless this manages to squeeze into modern I don't think it will be played outside of cube.
Flag Vaasgothbloodlord September 1, 2011 2:56 AM PDT
The art does look nice.
Flag badmalloc September 1, 2011 10:49 AM PDT
Storm in Modern... It just won't die.
Flag Rotary_Fist September 1, 2011 11:07 PM PDT
Moonmist is nice, but I was really hoping we would get new Liliana for a wallpaper... She would make a great pin-up girl :P
Flag 1maketoilets September 2, 2011 6:17 AM PDT
Why isn't there a right wallpaper size for those of us who use 16:9 screens?
Flag willpell September 7, 2011 7:09 AM PDT
A deck is not "mono-blue" if it contains a Progenitus.  You can't play  Progenitus by tapping nothing but Islands.  It's debatable whether a  deck that casts Dimir Guildmage with islands and uses him to draw  cards is blue, but even if you only plan to get a card on the table  with Polymorph or whatever, it still counts toward you're deck's color.
Flag NEStomato September 7, 2011 9:30 AM PDT

Sep 7, 2011 -- 7:09AM, willpell wrote:

A deck is not "mono-blue" if it contains a Progenitus.  You can't play Progenitus by tapping nothing but Islands.  It's debatable whether a deck that casts Dimir Guildmage with islands and uses him to draw cards is blue, but even if you only plan to get a card on the table with Polymorph or whatever, it still counts toward you're deck's color.




The deck doesn't actually ever play Progenitus, though.  It's ONLY in there to discard to Blazing Shoal.  Which is a spell they don't even cast with red mana.

I think the point is that the only mana the deck can produce is blue, so therefore the deck is mono-blue.

Flag Vektor480 September 7, 2011 11:16 AM PDT
Being it monoblue or not, the deck is extremely well thought and elegant. I like it very much, and I'm glad it scored well. I'm always happy when more wacky things see play and score as they deserve.
Flag Vaasgothbloodlord September 7, 2011 9:20 PM PDT
I hope the new comics will be better than the Magic comics we got in the past (and I believe they will be).
Honestly? You had me at "exclusive, playable, alternate-art cards".
Flag Blazingdragoon September 7, 2011 9:47 PM PDT
The website does not list where it will distribute the comic, the date that the comic is coming out, nor how to get the cards (will they be in the comic, or will you have to get them seperately from the store owner) Further, what are the protections from the store owner simply taking out the cards from the comics and telling his/her customers that he wasn't one of the "select" places to get cards in his comics, and then go sell them for big money online? Doing the cards with a limited release just seems exploitable to things like this.

When can we expect more info on this?
Flag sstadnicki September 7, 2011 11:13 PM PDT

Sep 7, 2011 -- 9:20PM, Vaasgothbloodlord wrote:

I hope the new comics will be better than the Magic comics we got in the past (and I believe they will be).




I don't know; I was awfully fond of DuelFighter Jin... :-)

Flag Kensan_Oni September 8, 2011 12:39 AM PDT

Sep 7, 2011 -- 9:20PM, Vaasgothbloodlord wrote:

I hope the new comics will be better than the Magic comics we got in the past (and I believe they will be).
Honestly? You had me at "exclusive, playable, alternate-art cards".


*kablink* What was wrong with the ones in the past? I liked the Brother's War and Homelands. I especially loved the Homelands comics.

Flag Ange-Gardien September 8, 2011 7:56 AM PDT

Sep 7, 2011 -- 9:47PM, Blazingdragoon wrote:

The website does not list where it will distribute the comic, the date that the comic is coming out, nor how to get the cards (will they be in the comic, or will you have to get them seperately from the store owner) Further, what are the protections from the store owner simply taking out the cards from the comics and telling his/her customers that he wasn't one of the "select" places to get cards in his comics, and then go sell them for big money online? Doing the cards with a limited release just seems exploitable to things like this.

When can we expect more info on this?




I'm hoping the comic will be shrink-wrapped with the card(s) inside.  Since my local card shop is also the local comic shop, I know where I'll be asking for it.

Flag Toes_of_Krosa September 8, 2011 12:14 PM PDT
Need. This. Comic.


Now. 
Flag DragonsWrath September 8, 2011 9:18 PM PDT
Nerdgasm at wallpaper of the week.  

That is all. 
Flag Dimir_Mage September 9, 2011 12:48 AM PDT
Getting names right sure is difficult. The GW Hate Bears deck was played and designed by Sascha Thomsen rather than "Sasaka Thornsen"... if you do feature under the radar decks you really should give credit where credit is due and not make up a name to go along with it.
Flag Scurra September 10, 2011 4:20 AM PDT
MaRo writes an article about why printing cards that you could only get through books was a bad idea, and so you decide to do it through comics instead?  
Yes, I realise that they are "alternate art" cards, and thus fall into the same sort of category as FNM cards, but even so... Wink


(Thanks for the Wallpaper though - it's magnificent.) 
Flag mabhatter September 11, 2011 9:08 PM PDT

Sep 10, 2011 -- 4:20AM, Scurra wrote:

MaRo writes an article about why printing cards that you could only get through books was a bad idea, and so you decide to do it through comics instead?  
Yes, I realise that they are "alternate art" cards, and thus fall into the same sort of category as FNM cards, but even so... Wink


(Thanks for the Wallpaper though - it's magnificent.) 


The promo cards in comics were shipped WITH the comics last time, if I remember, just like promo cards in Scrye used to be. The ones for books you had to mail in.

Flag Makasat September 11, 2011 9:51 PM PDT

Sep 11, 2011 -- 9:40PM, willpell wrote:

Two deck boxes in the Fat Pack?  I'm sold.  I've been waiting  for this for like five years.  Guess they finally got the message that  they needed to add value to those things if they were to move.




The deck boxes in question are not very attractive - they are just cardboard boxes, the same they make for event decks. You can't even fit a sleeved deck in such a box.
Now, if they were plastic or metal ones, with a pack of opaque sleeves inside - that would be a hit! I'd buy every fat pack as soon as it hit the shelves. I think this is not going to happen though, so I'll continue buying every fat pack with slightly less enthusiasm.

Flag roz1281 September 11, 2011 10:21 PM PDT
MBS and NPH had two deckboxes in each fatty also. Not sure about SOM.

I agree the deckboxes are subpar. At the least I wish they'd make them big enough for 60 sleeved cards. For now I use them to store 16 of each land per set (for collecting reasons) or for a set of land to take to events in case we draft (or pack wars etc).

Maybe WotC doesn't want to eat into Ultra-pro's business.

It is cool that they include 10 checklist cards though. Probably pull a few from the boosters too.
Flag Mouthsmasher September 11, 2011 10:22 PM PDT
Sorry I'm late to the Magic Arcana forums this month...

But that FNM promo is probably the most dissapointing one I've seen ( Teetering Peaks ?). It's a common that I think I've only seen someone play maybe once, and to top it off, it's being handed out in the SAME MONTH that it's rotating out of standard!? Has there every been an article written explaining how and who chooses the FNM promo cards? I'd sure like to know the thought process behind the card selection...

And as for the comic book, when will it be released or when will we be getting more information about it? My interest has been piqued

Do fat packs always come with 9 boosters and 80 land? I was given one about a year ago and I think it had 8 boosters in it. And as a word of suggestion, as someone else has said, could you make the boxes fit decks with sleeves? Or better yet, cut it down from 2 boxes to 1 and make the box out of plastic or metal.

 
Flag willpell September 11, 2011 10:27 PM PDT

Sep 11, 2011 -- 9:51PM, Makasat wrote:

Sep 11, 2011 -- 9:40PM, willpell wrote:

Two deck boxes in the Fat Pack?  I'm sold.  I've been waiting  for this for  like five years.  Guess they finally got the message that  they needed  to add value to those things if they were to move.




The deck boxes in question are not very  attractive - they are just cardboard boxes, the same they make for event  decks. You can't even fit a sleeved deck in such a box.
Now, if  they were plastic or metal ones, with a pack of opaque sleeves inside -  that would be a hit! I'd buy every fat pack as soon as it hit the  shelves. I think this is not going to happen though, so I'll continue  buying every fat pack with slightly less enthusiasm.



I  saw the words "two boxes" and got all excited - but no, it's actually  still just one card box.  I should have looked at the picture.
Back when Ravnica Block premiered the modern fat pack, it contained two  full-sized card boxes, and was sized accordingly.  Now, they use the  same size outer wrap, but there's just one card box, which is awkwardly  propped open to make it the size of two.  I have largely avoided buying  them since then for this reason.

Flag chronego September 11, 2011 11:01 PM PDT

Sep 11, 2011 -- 10:27PM, willpell wrote:

I  saw the words "two boxes" and got all excited - but no, it's actually  still just one card box.  I should have looked at the picture.
Back when Ravnica Block premiered the modern fat pack, it contained two  full-sized card boxes, and was sized accordingly.  Now, they use the  same size outer wrap, but there's just one card box, which is awkwardly  propped open to make it the size of two.  I have largely avoided buying  them since then for this reason.


I agree, but the thing that made ME stop buying even more than the loss of the second box was when they stopped putting in those plastic separators. It's a small thing, but those are what you take for granted until they're gone.
I could live with losing the book, and I have enough of the card boxes to have two per color, one for lands, one for artifacts/multicolored and a few spares. But I loved using the separators to keep my cards apart by block, and since the number of blocks increases every year but now my number of separators is constant, I can't.

Flag Senyuno September 12, 2011 2:39 AM PDT

Sep 11, 2011 -- 10:22PM, Mouthsmasher wrote:

But that FNM promo is probably the most dissapointing one I've seen ( Teetering Peaks ?). It's a common that I think I've only seen someone play maybe once, and to top it off, it's being handed out in the SAME MONTH that it's rotating out of standard!? Has there every been an article written explaining how and who chooses the FNM promo cards? I'd sure like to know the thought process behind the card selection...



Commons, Uncommons, whatever. Alternate arts should be for fun, flavorful purposes, not devaluing something.

You may have only seen it once, but I've seen it a hundred times. It was in roughly every RDW I've seen in the past 2 years.

Yeah, the promo doesn't really seem to have anything to do with standard. Sometimes its in, sometimes its out, somtimes its close to being out. 

Even though it seems to be unrelated, I actually think they do take note. I don't know who does the deed, but I do have other theories. A few writers explain how these things are for flavorful purposes, and come out right when they feel it's right. It just turns out the subjective nature of "feel it's right" gives them many probable reasons:

a) Release when its popular
b) Release to support a certain format
c) Release to give it a "final farewell" from a format
d) Release because another vision for the art was just as likeable or perspectively interesting (difficult to guess on this one)

Ex:

a) Squadron Hawk
b) Rhox War Monk
c) Teetering Peaks
d) Wall of Omens? 

Flag Amarsir September 12, 2011 6:41 AM PDT

Sep 11, 2011 -- 10:21PM, roz1281 wrote:


I agree the deckboxes are subpar. At the least I wish they'd make them big enough for 60 sleeved cards. For now I use them to store 16 of each land per set (for collecting reasons) or for a set of land to take to events in case we draft (or pack wars etc).

Maybe WotC doesn't want to eat into Ultra-pro's business.


I've never bought a fat pack, but are the deck boxes really that bad?  It seems particularly odd in a set that's built around "everybody uses sleeves" to have boxes that don't accomodate sleeves.  Does Wizards have a branded box they sell separately or do you think they're really just making room for Ultra-Pro?



Flag Losenas September 12, 2011 12:15 PM PDT

Sep 12, 2011 -- 2:39AM, Senyuno wrote:


I don't know who does the deed




Out of context, this sounds incredibly onimous.
Either that or incredibly dirty.
...
Or both. 

Flag Vektor480 September 12, 2011 3:51 PM PDT
Including opaque card sleeves in this pack would have been elegant and well received.
Flag Losenas September 12, 2011 4:23 PM PDT

Sep 12, 2011 -- 3:51PM, Vektor480 wrote:

Including opaque card sleeves in this pack would have been elegant and well received.




If they could keep it at the same price, they should have done that and announced it in the initial article about how the flip cards work. In all likelihood, however, it would have simply increased the price of the fat pack by the cost of the sleeves, which would have only caused complaints about them 'shoving sleeves down our throats'.

Granted, if they included sleeves and maintained the price I'm sure we'd have people complaining that the color didn't match their deck or something, but at least that would be an extreme minority that most people wouldn't take seriously. 

Flag FearOfTheDark September 12, 2011 5:35 PM PDT

Sep 12, 2011 -- 6:41AM, Amarsir wrote:

Sep 11, 2011 -- 10:21PM, roz1281 wrote:


I agree the deckboxes are subpar. At the least I wish they'd make them big enough for 60 sleeved cards. For now I use them to store 16 of each land per set (for collecting reasons) or for a set of land to take to events in case we draft (or pack wars etc).

Maybe WotC doesn't want to eat into Ultra-pro's business.


I've never bought a fat pack, but are the deck boxes really that bad?  It seems particularly odd in a set that's built around "everybody uses sleeves" to have boxes that don't accomodate sleeves.  Does Wizards have a branded box they sell separately or do you think they're really just making room for Ultra-Pro?






Personally, I think the deck boxes are fine (the large ones and the small ones).  The large ones hold multiple decks for me, and the small boxes are used for housing decks.  They're the kind of deck boxes that you used to get theme decks/fat packs in.  I really miss those, so I'm very happy that I get some in the fat packs now.

Other than that, I'm stoked that Liliana is on this box.  I'm so excited to pick mine up!

Flag Vektor480 September 13, 2011 1:02 PM PDT

Sep 12, 2011 -- 4:23PM, Losenas wrote:

Sep 12, 2011 -- 3:51PM, Vektor480 wrote:

Including opaque card sleeves in this pack would have been elegant and well received.




If they could keep it at the same price, they should have done that and announced it in the initial article about how the flip cards work. In all likelihood, however, it would have simply increased the price of the fat pack by the cost of the sleeves, which would have only caused complaints about them 'shoving sleeves down our throats'.

Granted, if they included sleeves and maintained the price I'm sure we'd have people complaining that the color didn't match their deck or something, but at least that would be an extreme minority that most people wouldn't take seriously. 


Yes, of course, whithout increasing the price. They could remove something, like, for example, one of the deckboxes. They have two boxes. 60 sleeves and one box would be very nice of them, and would avoid many issues, I think.

Flag Losenas September 13, 2011 5:07 PM PDT

Sep 13, 2011 -- 1:02PM, Vektor480 wrote:

Sep 12, 2011 -- 4:23PM, Losenas wrote:

Sep 12, 2011 -- 3:51PM, Vektor480 wrote:

Including opaque card sleeves in this pack would have been elegant and well received.




If they could keep it at the same price, they should have done that and announced it in the initial article about how the flip cards work. In all likelihood, however, it would have simply increased the price of the fat pack by the cost of the sleeves, which would have only caused complaints about them 'shoving sleeves down our throats'.

Granted, if they included sleeves and maintained the price I'm sure we'd have people complaining that the color didn't match their deck or something, but at least that would be an extreme minority that most people wouldn't take seriously. 


Yes, of course, whithout increasing the price. They could remove something, like, for example, one of the deckboxes. They have two boxes. 60 sleeves and one box would be very nice of them, and would avoid many issues, I think.




I personally like this idea, though I could see a lot of people getting pissed off over 'losing' a deck box... I don't really know anyone who's actually happy with the current fat pack setup, but they must be out there since they're obviously being sold (if sales had stopped they would have gone back to the old setup).

I think it would be an objectively good change... I'm just not sure how well recieved it would be among the fat-pack buying though.

Flag Landiur September 13, 2011 6:04 PM PDT
So what's up with the color aligned cards that come with the battle pack? Are they the same every time, or randomized? Are there any rares in them?
Flag demauk September 13, 2011 9:11 PM PDT
About the ****ss World Records (weird that that word is filtered out), why is Guillaume Matignon in there? It seems to say "Greatest cash prize for a [xyz]"
Flag Amarsir September 13, 2011 9:43 PM PDT
I never knew Yu-Gi-Oh! was the most popular TCG.  Very interesting arcana!
Flag Amarsir September 13, 2011 9:46 PM PDT

Sep 13, 2011 -- 9:11PM, demauk wrote:

About the ****ss World Records (weird that that word is filtered out), why is Guillaume Matignon in there? It seems to say "Greatest cash prize for a [xyz]"





Yeah, greatest cash prize for a TCG.  Matignon won $100,000 At WoW worlds.

Flag Dragon_Nut September 13, 2011 10:12 PM PDT
I find it somewhat funny that despite everything else, the one record Magic doesn't have is the one Wizards (or at least Hasbro) probably cares the most about: Best selling.
Flag Bezman September 14, 2011 1:52 PM PDT
I can't read the text very welll...  anyone know what the first TCG was? I would've thought it was MtG but that's only the first MODERN TCG seemingly...
Flag Losenas September 14, 2011 7:23 PM PDT
It looks like "the base ball card game" to me...
Flag jr220 September 14, 2011 9:12 PM PDT
What no werewolf deck? WTH wizards? You go to all this trouble of pissing everyone off with double faced cards and don't even have the balls to make an intro deck with them? Color me dissapointed.
Flag Losenas September 14, 2011 10:12 PM PDT

Sep 14, 2011 -- 9:12PM, jr220 wrote:

What no werewolf deck? WTH wizards? You go to all this trouble of pissing everyone off with double faced cards and don't even have the balls to make an intro deck with them? Color me dissapointed.




Cool down it's the first set.
They'll probably have a werewolf deck in the second or third, when it's more fleshed out.
And there's no reason to assume that just because there's no 'werewolf deck' none of them contain DFC's. 

Flag mallemout September 15, 2011 3:28 AM PDT
Hmmmm, sturmgeist. Hope the card is good/flavorfull because I like the art and name.
Flag jr220 September 15, 2011 6:30 AM PDT

Sep 14, 2011 -- 10:12PM, Losenas wrote:

Sep 14, 2011 -- 9:12PM, jr220 wrote:

What no werewolf deck? WTH wizards? You go to all this trouble of pissing everyone off with double faced cards and don't even have the balls to make an intro deck with them? Color me dissapointed.




Cool down it's the first set.
They'll probably have a werewolf deck in the second or third, when it's more fleshed out.
And there's no reason to assume that just because there's no 'werewolf deck' none of them contain DFC's. 




I'm aware it's the first set. And, it being the first set, you would think you would want to promote this "new" tribe. I'm sure there will be DFC's in the intro decks somewhere, but werewolves have the most, so it makes sense to have a deck that promotes both. I'm just dissapointed is all, it seems cowardly, but who knows, maybe the human deck will be cool.

Flag DaddyCerodon September 15, 2011 7:38 AM PDT
Since wizards seems to have lost their sense-of-AWESOME, we can't get a werewolf deck in a easy, ready-made package. Instead I'll have to:
A) Buy a box or 2, since I'll only get 1 double sided card per pack. (I'm really hoping double sided rares aren't too rare)
B) Beg and peddle with my friends, or 
C) March into a game shop and pay whatever astronomical price they put on these things thanks to point A. 
Seriously, hands up everyone who is psyched about a Spirit theme deck....
 
Anyway, the red-hot rage has subsided and I can see hope in the GREEN so-called "human" deck. Looking at the card image category, there aren't a lot of humans in this set. Oh wait, yes there are, you know what they're called? WEREWOLVES WEREWOLVES WEREWOLVES
This might be a fool's hope though...

Predictions in the human deck: (*WARNING* SOME CARDS ARE SPOILED FROM MTG SALVATION)
Avancys pilgrim (2 or more of), elder of laurels and sharpened pitchfork I'm sure of. 
Butcherer's cleaver would be awesome and we might get blazing torch OR wooden stake.
Naturalize is a given, and a pump spell from M12 is probable. Timely reinforcements would be nice.
If we DO get werewolves moonmist will be included since it plays to "ward off" flavour. Gatstaf shepherd is included. A common like villagers of estwald might also appear. The second rare could be Kessig Cagebreakers, since it plays into the "lots of creatures" theme and supports elder of laurels. The flavour might not quite fit, though...
If we DON'T get werewolves Thraben sentry is highly probable. If the other rare is white, Mentor of the meek is the likeliest card, even though Champion of the parish would be an awesome thing to get... Bonds of faith is a certain 2 of. 
Make a wish might appear, and travel preparations would fit though it breaks the "1 mechanic per deck" rule. 

So yeah, maybe I'm exited after all. Post your own suggestions
Flag jeff-heikkinen September 15, 2011 11:31 AM PDT
I'll bet more casual players will see the Sturmgeist card showing and assume the cards in that deck are in German. People base purchasing decisions on dumber reasons than that all the time, especially in certain parts of the US.
Flag LMTRK September 15, 2011 2:35 PM PDT
@ DaddyCerodon:

I wouldnt be too surprised to see a Werewolf Event deck in a few weeks.

~ Tim
Flag chronego September 15, 2011 3:27 PM PDT

Sep 15, 2011 -- 7:38AM, DaddyCerodon wrote:

Since wizards seems to have lost their sense-of-AWESOME, we can't get a werewolf deck in a easy, ready-made package. Instead I'll have to:
A) Buy a box or 2, since I'll only get 1 double sided card per pack. (I'm really hoping double sided rares aren't too rare)
B) Beg and peddle with my friends, or 
C) March into a game shop and pay whatever astronomical price they put on these things thanks to point A.


Mark Rosewater said that they did their best to make the DFCs show up in equal rarities to non-DFCs of the same rarity. This means that you have just as much chance of cracking a Garruk Relentless as you do of cracking any other Mythic. Except that Garruk Relentless comes in addition to your regular rare/mythic rare. And I believe the math didn't come out perfectly, so I'd imagine they erred on the side of generosity and Garruk is actually slightly MORE common than other mythics.

The same logic holds for the other rarities, but we all know Garruk, being the mythic, will be where the money's at.

Flag Amarsir September 15, 2011 6:26 PM PDT

Sep 15, 2011 -- 6:30AM, jr220 wrote:

Sep 14, 2011 -- 10:12PM, Losenas wrote:

They'll probably have a werewolf deck in the second or third, when it's more fleshed out.
And there's no reason to assume that just because there's no 'werewolf deck' none of them contain DFC's. 




I'm aware it's the first set. And, it being the first set, you would think you would want to promote this "new" tribe. I'm sure there will be DFC's in the intro decks somewhere, but werewolves have the most, so it makes sense to have a deck that promotes both. I'm just dissapointed is all, it seems cowardly, but who knows, maybe the human deck will be cool.




Well they have to do the humans now, because ... er I mean ...


The sides are at war!  Boring humans vs exciting monsters.  It could go either way, who knows!?

Flag Vektor480 September 15, 2011 7:04 PM PDT
I'm extremely excited about this set, however I can't help it but feel that the package of the products looks terribly unappealing. It could translate the set much better and also call the attention of the consumer. If I didn't know more about the set, and just saw ths products in a store, I probably wouldn't purchase it.
Flag Losenas September 15, 2011 7:15 PM PDT

Sep 15, 2011 -- 6:30AM, jr220 wrote:


I'm aware it's the first set. And, it being the first set, you would think you would want to promote this "new" tribe. I'm sure there will be DFC's in the intro decks somewhere, but werewolves have the most, so it makes sense to have a deck that promotes both. I'm just dissapointed is all, it seems cowardly, but who knows, maybe the human deck will be cool.




I'd argue that since this is the first block they appear in, it makes sense to wait until they can craft an excellent play experience (when they have more cards available to them). What you call cowardice I call patience.

Flag DacenOctavio September 17, 2011 12:23 AM PDT
September 16, 2011's Daily Deck List is lacking 4 Lightning Bolt . Please fix.
Flag Losenas September 17, 2011 11:14 PM PDT

Sep 17, 2011 -- 12:23AM, DacenOctavio wrote:

September 16, 2011's Daily Deck List is lacking 4 Lightning Bolt . Please fix.




Are you criticizing the deck or pointing out an error on the website? Because there's 60 cards without any bolts...

Flag Vektor480 September 18, 2011 9:08 PM PDT
Am I the only one who loved the token bellow just because of Bioshock?
Spoiler: Show
Flag Vaasgothbloodlord September 18, 2011 9:25 PM PDT
Heh, didn't notice that about the Homunculus art until you said something, but I see it now.
I like all the art of the tokens for this set. I like the Angel are least, but it fits what the Angel is supposed to be very well. Least favorite, still think the art is pretty good.
Flag Amarsir September 18, 2011 9:51 PM PDT
As a guy who likes to mix his art, I like that there are several different Zombie tokens.  Unfortunately as a guy who plays Magic Online, I won't have any control over which get used.
Flag blissett September 18, 2011 11:11 PM PDT
Does anyone know the exact names of the 4 WotC guys depicted in the PAX tokens?

I am a curious person... Tongue out
Flag WotC_Microbless September 19, 2011 11:28 AM PDT

Sep 18, 2011 -- 11:11PM, blissett wrote:

Does anyone know the exact names of the 4 WotC guys depicted in the PAX tokens?

I am a curious person...




That would be (in order) Your friendly neighborhood Community Manager Michael Robles (HEY! That's me!), PR/Communications Manager Tolena Thorburn, Brand Director Elaine Chase, and Associate Brand Manager Jon Hickey.

Flag DacenOctavio September 19, 2011 11:37 AM PDT

Sep 17, 2011 -- 11:14PM, Losenas wrote:

Sep 17, 2011 -- 12:23AM, DacenOctavio wrote:

September 16, 2011's Daily Deck List is lacking 4 Lightning Bolt . Please fix.




Are you criticizing the deck or pointing out an error on the website? Because there's 60 cards without any bolts...




A little of both. This deck is pre-rotation by the looks of it, runs basic Mountain s, isn't Valakut, and is missing the best piece of spot removal that basic mountains can pay for. And a red aggro deck without burn is just silly. Dismember is more a sideboard card for annoying things like Kor Firewalker , and it's not going to hit things holding a Sword of Feast and Famine .

Flag clatong September 20, 2011 3:18 PM PDT
Regarding the Fat Pack:


While I really appreciate that the design on the box is simple (less cluttered than recent ones), I feel that there was so much other great art from this set that could have been used.  Overall a bit disappointed, and will probably skip the box this time around.  I'll be sure to still pick up packs, but probably from booster boxes instead this time! 
Flag Senyuno September 20, 2011 11:12 PM PDT
Gastalf Shepard is really going out of business.
Flag willpell September 20, 2011 11:45 PM PDT

Today's arcana makes me wonder if Ludevic's Lizard Egg was reconcepted - the picture does have a bit of machinery in it, but not enough to scream "Mad Scientist" (well, "alchemist") to me.  The dudes in black robes staring at the egg look like cultists; I can imagine them going "soon our dread master shall rise and devour", so maybe the card was originally conceived of as a primordial lizard-god and then got the mad science emphasis place on it instead.  (Not a bad move or anything, just wondering.)

Flag fuxorfly September 21, 2011 12:37 PM PDT

Sep 20, 2011 -- 11:45PM, willpell wrote:


The dudes in black robes staring at the egg look like cultists; I can imagine them going "soon our dread master shall rise and devour", so maybe the card was originally conceived of as a primordial lizard-god




I think they are supposed to be something similar to Deranged Assistant or Stitcher's Apprentice rather than cultists, but that's just my guess; I agree that if I hadn't seen either of the other two cards, I would assume they were some kind of worshippers.

Flag PolishTamales September 21, 2011 10:22 PM PDT
WotC or to whoever that does updates to the Gatherer.

I want to see the actual cards uploaded to Gatherer when the complete set is up. I'm looking at the intro packs and I can't get excited about them when I don't know what cards they are without opening an entirely new window/tab. How about making them available ASAP? It creates hype for the community so they can discuss each card before they get to touch the cards and it's just easier to navigate through links on said webpages that are suppose to promote the cards.
Flag bradleyforrest September 21, 2011 10:46 PM PDT
Love the fact that the today's deck isn't actually legal in Modern after the B&R update. Nice editting work there, guys.
Flag alextfish September 22, 2011 3:53 AM PDT

Sep 21, 2011 -- 10:22PM, PolishTamales wrote:

WotC or to whoever that does updates to the Gatherer.

I want to see the actual cards uploaded to Gatherer when the complete set is up. I'm looking at the intro packs and I can't get excited about them when I don't know what cards they are without opening an entirely new window/tab. How about making them available ASAP? It creates hype for the community so they can discuss each card before they get to touch the cards and it's just easier to navigate through links on said webpages that are suppose to promote the cards.



Yes, this! I can't see why you wouldn't put the whole spoiler straight into Gatherer the day that it's posted. I heard rumours that Innistrad cards would be in Gatherer on Thursday, but that doesn't seem to have happened. Come on! Other sites are full of dead links to things like http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?type=card&name=creepy+doll , just waiting for the images to go up.

Reading the intro decklists is an exercise in utter frustration when the mouseover links don't work. The visual spoiler isn't even searchable with Ctrl-F because there's no text. You're driving people away to other sites' text spoilers, even though those may contain inaccuracies.

So to answer Monty's quote:

Remember last week when you saw the Innistrad Intro Packs? And you vowed to come back next week to see the decklists? Good news! That next week is now this week! So here they are!


"Remember three days ago when the Innistrad intro packs were posted? And you found you couldn't read them until the card images worked? But now it's three days later and you can!...No? Are you sure you don't remember? Guess we should have had the images working when the decklists were posted then..."

There's no way I'm interested enough to actually bother to come back to some arbitrary past Arcana once I notice the images are working.

Flag GreenBuster September 22, 2011 3:55 AM PDT

Sep 21, 2011 -- 10:46PM, bradleyforrest wrote:

Love the fact that the today's deck isn't actually legal in Modern after the B&R update. Nice editting work there, guys.




Considering that it isn't their deck, they really can't edit it.  Also, the only thing the deck loses is preordain, hence the last line ("What changes would you make to the deck now?").

As for the intro packs, the only one I am excited for at the moment is Deathly Dominion.  It would be nice if the Innistrad cards were in Gatherer already so I can actually look at the decks better.

Flag Ange-Gardien September 22, 2011 7:38 AM PDT
I totally agree with the sentiment that the cards should be visible on Gatherer and by mousing over the names.  Other than the cards shown on the front of the intro decks, which are the rare cards?  Oh, that's right, can't tell without going to other pages or sites.
Flag Marok23 September 22, 2011 8:47 AM PDT
Mayb cursecatcher over preordain idk
Flag chronego September 22, 2011 11:59 AM PDT

Sep 22, 2011 -- 3:55AM, GreenBuster wrote:

Sep 21, 2011 -- 10:46PM, bradleyforrest wrote:

Love the fact that the today's deck isn't actually legal in Modern after the B&R update. Nice editting work there, guys.




Considering that it isn't their deck, they really can't edit it.  Also, the only thing the deck loses is preordain, hence the last line ("What changes would you make to the deck now?").



The problem isn't so much that it's not legal. It's that they claim it is, with this gem:
"The recent announcement regarding the Banned & Restricted list for  Modern will change the format compared to the Pro Tour. One decklist  already prepared for those changes? Next-Level Blue, as seen here in the  hands of Supakitchar."
It's "ready for those changes" the B&R list made... but contains banned cards.

Flag hymie September 22, 2011 12:47 PM PDT
Is there really no Innistrad intro pack which showcases werewolves? Do the Intro packs have no two-faced cards at all? I don't understand...
Flag Toes_of_Krosa September 22, 2011 6:11 PM PDT

Sep 22, 2011 -- 12:47PM, hymie wrote:

Is there really no Innistrad intro pack which showcases werewolves? Do the Intro packs have no two-faced cards at all? I don't understand...




Okay, let me explain it to you. Intro packs are exactly what they sound like: an introduction. Let's just imagine, according to what Wotc at least hints at, a perfect learning magic story.

Someone walks into a comic book shop to buy his/her newest comic and sees a card game being played on a table near the back wall. He/she asks the person at the cash register "What are those people over there playing?"

"Why, that's the world's premier trading card game, Magic: the Gathering."
"Wow, that sounds cool, can I try?"
"Talk to the local DCI representative right over there."

He/she walks over and the DCI person explains the game and gives the generic learner a starter pack, and tells him/her to come back tomorrow for some playing and more teaching. This continues for a little while until the generic learner, well, learns. The DCI person tells him/her now to get an intro pack of the newest core set, and to bring to the next FNM.

He/she does that, and doesn't do very well. He/she then buys some packs, improves the deck, makes friends, gets his/her first prize, blah, blah, blah.

Then, an exciting new set comes out. The generic learner walks up and buys a brand new intro pack in all the excitement (!). He/she opens it up, looks at the cards, starts shufflin' them up for a test, and notices something. He/she put in a lot of cards right side up. He/she flips them. Still right side up.

"What the...? What the heck is this?!? I was just starting to get used to this game, too!"
A more experienced player walks over and gives him/her a twenty minute speech about the effects of time stamps on dual-sided cards, and the learner wants to learn no more.


Long story short, maybe double faced cards are a little complicated for a new player. I don't know. Maybe that's just me.



Oh, and also, would you prefer that Wotc just delays telling the intro pack decklists instead of showing them before Gatherer was ready? They work REALLY hard to get this stuff out as soon as possible. By the way, it's out now. You know, I was annoyed at that too until I saw the amount of people that were wording these posts so brutally. It's a minor nuisance, not a reprint of the power nine! Sheesh!

Flag hymie September 22, 2011 7:52 PM PDT
I think you're wrong. My impression was that intro packs are supposed to introduce the themes of the set in an uncomplicated way (so Scars of Mirrodin intro sets had separate poison and proliferate decks when they logically belong together). Mind you, I hate this passionately and wish they would restore the old theme decks which while bad were still better, but still, I find it utterly strange that the biggest theme of the new set will have no introduction. And since every intro deck comes with a booster and every booster has a two-faced card, the new player will see one of these mysterious cards immediately anyway.

You know, I think I just figured out the real reason - they didn't know how to do the checklist cards as part of a werewolf intro deck and they took the easy way out! Which probably says something about checklist cards that they don't want to hear. Is there anyone who isn't going to just proxy two-faced cards with lands?
Flag malcairad September 25, 2011 2:23 PM PDT
On the site of intro deck lists, buring vegeance is spelled wrong so it doesnt link to the gatherer and a couple of the cards go to old pictures rather than Innistrad pictures.
Flag KenBeere September 25, 2011 7:39 PM PDT
I ran tempered steel a lot, but now with standard rotating, I also rotated the colors from white to.........................................RED!


My "Tempered Steel" red deck looks like this.  It will be standard with Innistrad and uses elements of both Kuldotha and Tempered steel with a few new tricks from Innistrad for a possible first turn Planeswalker!  Enjoy!


4 chimeric mass
4 mox opal
4 memnite
4 signal pest
4 kuldotha rebirth
4 galvanic blast 
4 vaultskirge 
4 infernal plunge (first turn planeswalker)
4 curse of stalked prey (replaces tempered steel)
3 chandra the firebrade (finisher)
3 koth of the hammer (nasty on turn 1)
18 mountians


60 total  
   
 
Flag SnowFire September 25, 2011 9:21 PM PDT
Phage was errata'd to be a Zombie?  I really don't agree with that.  Number 1, there's always a flavor disconnect for "free-willed" Zombies since that isn't really what we expect of Zombies.  Number 2, as utterly terrible as the so-called "plot" for Magic was, I'm pretty sure Phage was just Jeska + 8 bazillion tons of black mana; she wasn't actually dead.  Number 3, the last printed wording just says Minion.  Number 4, the most important one...  Phage was printed in a tribal block!  If the designers had meant Phage to be a Zombie, they could easily have made her one, and it'd have made her synergistic with all sorts of other Onslaught block cards.  So it was clearly a choice to NOT have her be one.

While yammering about Phage, no, she wasn't actually that good, but meh at modern Magic's design of super-huge fatties that you can feel free to cheat into play for free and win with (Emrakul, Inksteel Colossus, etc.).  Emrakul should seriously have had a Phage-esque clause on it to stop Through the Breach shenanigans; how flavorful would it be to say "If you didn't cast Emrakul from your hand, Emrakul deals 15 damage to you?"  Le sigh.
Flag Ordinary September 26, 2011 12:49 AM PDT
Three Torpor Orb when your only two creatures are Sunblast Angel and Frost Titan? That seems pretty loose. My inclination would be to keep the Orbs because they seem really good at the moment, but play Consecrated Sphinxes instead.
Flag KrosanPeacekeeper September 26, 2011 7:39 AM PDT
Hmm, from the intro packs, I like the B/G one. Now I can't wait for the event deck decklists... When will it be posted? 
Flag Guest233824152 September 26, 2011 11:24 AM PDT
The Rules quiz in todays Magic Arcana article says Evil Twin wouldn't Transform if it copied a Transforming creature.  Would the same be true for a Clone?
Flag chronego September 26, 2011 11:51 AM PDT

Sep 26, 2011 -- 11:24AM, Guest233824152 wrote:

The Rules quiz in todays Magic Arcana article says Evil Twin wouldn't Transform if it copied a Transforming creature.  Would the same be true for a Clone?


Any Clone effect would be modelocked (not transform). Only cards that physically have a second face can transform.

Flag blissett September 27, 2011 10:21 PM PDT
I was giving a second look at the full Olivia Voldaren's full art on today's Arcana. Is it just me, or this art subtly reminds of some kind of Stanley Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut" scene?
Flag zammm September 28, 2011 12:48 AM PDT
The first question that popped into my head on seeing that Past in Flames depicted Olivia: so was one of the arts flipped for aesthetic reasons, or did someone put that shoulder-ruff on the wrong side in one?
Flag longwinded September 28, 2011 11:19 AM PDT

Sep 28, 2011 -- 12:48AM, zammm wrote:

The first question that popped into my head on seeing that Past in Flames depicted Olivia: so was one of the arts flipped for aesthetic reasons, or did someone put that shoulder-ruff on the wrong side in one?




No, the dress is symmetrical. In Olivia Voldaren , she's at an angle wither her arm pulled back, so the ruffle on her right arm is only partially visible behind her hair. In Past in Flames , the ruffle on her left arm is partially obscured by her hair, but mostly cut off by the card frame/edge of the painting.

Also, I'm not sure if "ruffle" is really the right word for this type of accent, since it's a flat and scoop-like, similar to a raised collar. In fact, if you were looking head on it would be similar in effect to Dracula's raised cape collar. Any fashion-fans out there care to comment?

Flag NoUnderscore September 28, 2011 12:57 PM PDT
Olivia's not allowed to switch sides her ruffle's on?  Poor lass.  Guess Innistrad suffers from more than one curse.

I would hate to be an Icatian Laundromat in the Magic multiverse.... 
Flag OmegaM October 3, 2011 8:42 AM PDT

Infocom-game-title Card of the Day week (9/26--9/30) was a neat idea, but Eternal Witness doesn't exactly work because the title of the game in question was The Witness. But Sorcerer ( Prodigal Sorcerer etc.) and Spellbreaker ( Spellbreaker Behemoth ) are both contained in card names. You could also have used Journey ( Journey of Discovery etc.), though then someone would have complained that that game's title was actually Journey: The Quest Begins.

Flag Akym July 5, 2012 3:40 PM PDT
Okay, so the alpha edition playtest picture for Mox Jet had a picture of a plane in it - did really nobody at Wizards realize this was a Tintin comic book takeout, or did they just not find it worth mentioning? It's from Flight 714, if anyone is interested (one of the best Tintin comics there is, but that's just one guy's opinion).
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