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2 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2011 - 5:39PM #61
bob_the_wonder_Beeble
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Aug 28, 2011 -- 5:31PM, Son_Of_A_Gun wrote:

Aug 28, 2011 -- 5:26PM, Hippie wrote:

The checklist, I heard, will be replacing the basic land.


It will probably just take the place of the little rules help cards they sometimes insert. When a pack has a token, don't you still get a basic land? I could be wrong. Haven't bought many cards lately. I'm really not too worried about the physical aspect of transforming the cards, and more worried about how I will be having to apparently add control aspects to a werewolf deck? I'm just not sure why I must prevent spells from being played to use lycanthropic transformation...



Maro254: 3) Three out of four boosters has a checklist card. It's in the land slot. One less land art per land to adjust.



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2 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2011 - 5:43PM #62
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Boomshakalaka. Thanks for backing me up, Bob.
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2011 - 5:59PM #63
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"We need a mechanic to encourage players to buy more card sleeves.  Any ideas?"
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2011 - 6:09PM #64
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Hrm...werewolf cards...that flip over to "transform"...where have I seen this before?

Oh yeah!
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I hope they asked if they could use this concept.
I laughed so hard when I first heard Magic was doing this. Hilarious!

No, this won't kill Magic. If Homelands couldn't kill Magic, NOTHING CAN!!
This might make casual magic a bit harder, but casual players have probably gone through worse.
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2011 - 6:16PM #65
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Don't hotlink images, Tim.
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2011 - 6:17PM #66
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According to the checklist card, there'll be 20 transformers. A full playset of each constitutes 80 checklist cards.

I go to a lot of prerelease events and draft a lot, but I don't think it's fair to expect me to get 80 checklist cards (while I don't need to use them in casual, who knows if you go through decktesting for an event and end up rotating through a few different ideas and end up needing a lot of checklists). From my collector side, I also feel like the checklist card makes up part of the playset, as it actually allows you to play the cards. ^_-

If they don't accomodate for this somehow - like sending out bulk checklists for the prereleases or something - I'll be annoyed. ^^ 
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2011 - 6:30PM #67
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Aug 28, 2011 -- 6:17PM, JaxsonBateman wrote:

According to the checklist card, there'll be 20 transformers. A full playset of each constitutes 80 checklist cards.

I go to a lot of prerelease events and draft a lot, but I don't think it's fair to expect me to get 80 checklist cards (while I don't need to use them in casual, who knows if you go through decktesting for an event and end up rotating through a few different ideas and end up needing a lot of checklists). From my collector side, I also feel like the checklist card makes up part of the playset, as it actually allows you to play the cards. ^_-

If they don't accomodate for this somehow - like sending out bulk checklists for the prereleases or something - I'll be annoyed. ^^ 




Store will be given checklists to give out for free whenever someone asks for them. And they'll be in three out of four boosters. There will be so many lying around that they'll end up like most tokens or lands as draft leavings afterwards.

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2011 - 6:34PM #68
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I really don't have a problem with the mechanic.  I admit that it's a little jarring at first, and will require a little forethought when it comes to sleeves and checklists, but it's really not such a hard concept to wrap your head around.  My only real gripe is its implementation with werewolves.  Having them all have the same triggers is kind of dull, but there are probably more cards in the set that mess around with the transform mechanic.

Really, anyone who thinks this is the downfall of the game needs to take a deep breath and relax.   
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2011 - 6:48PM #69
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I don't dislike the mechanic, but I feel that it's a bit clunky.
Not bad, just... clunky.
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Jan 14, 2012 -- 5:42PM, Vektor480 wrote:

I like storm crow because I really like crows in real life, as an animal, and the card isn't terribly stupid, but packs a good deal of nostalgia and also a chunck of the game's history. So it's perhaps one of the cards I have most affection to, but not because "lol storm crow is bad hurr hurr durr".


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Mar 17, 2011 -- 10:28PM, Qmark wrote:

Mar 17, 2011 -- 10:15PM, ROBRAM89 wrote:

Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.

Now, now.
1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".


Oct 11, 2011 -- 9:43PM, Tevish_Szat wrote:

Oh, it's a brilliant plan.  You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat.  Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit.  He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee.  "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk.  He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy.  He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right.  Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms.
"THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!"

And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.


Feb 25, 2012 -- 2:54PM, Mown wrote:

Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.


Jul 11, 2011 -- 10:47PM, Qmark wrote:

Jul 11, 2011 -- 10:36PM, SleetFox wrote:

This thread has gotten creepy.  XP

Really?
Really?

The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?


Jun 26, 2011 -- 5:52AM, MrQuizzles wrote:

Jun 26, 2011 -- 4:59AM, Mown wrote:

Jun 26, 2011 -- 4:44AM, skeindubh wrote:


4 tropical island
4 savannah
4 bayou
4 taiga
4 savannah


Nice mana base.
Not really.



Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.


May 2, 2011 -- 8:18AM, desolation_masticore wrote:

I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.


Apr 3, 2011 -- 1:39AM, DrWorm wrote:

Apr 3, 2011 -- 12:02AM, crazysamaritan wrote:

Of course, the best use [of tolaria west ] is transmuting for the real Tolaria.



Absolutely.  I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria , and I was finally able win my first game.


Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:17PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

WOAH

wait wait wait

Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

"I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jon infiltrated



OH MY GOD


Nov 22, 2011 -- 3:52PM, Pontiac wrote:

The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.


Oct 10, 2011 -- 8:55PM, Glasir wrote:

The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.


Jan 21, 2011 -- 7:11AM, Qmark wrote:


Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available.
"No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.


Jul 10, 2012 -- 11:28AM, Dragon_Nut wrote:

Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.



Aug 3, 2011 -- 6:46PM, ChaosLight wrote:

You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.


Oct 10, 2011 -- 7:30PM, Vektor480 wrote:

Oct 10, 2011 -- 5:53PM, Rubik wrote:

You just... Vektor it.


That's the answer to everything.


Jan 17, 2011 -- 6:16PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

Jan 17, 2011 -- 5:58PM, Ragnarokio wrote:


I think the problem is that you don't exist.


This would sound great out of context!


Dec 19, 2011 -- 9:07PM, Dilleux_Lepaire wrote:

Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.


Aug 4, 2011 -- 2:15PM, Mown wrote:

Aug 4, 2011 -- 1:45PM, Suudsu2200 wrote:


I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.


You make it sound like that's still not the case.


Jan 4, 2011 -- 3:04AM, Niklor wrote:

Rap is what happens when the c from crap is taken away.


Doug Beyer:

But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?


Mar 20, 2012 -- 1:32PM, Terti wrote:

Flashforward five thousand years (Click for atmosphere) :


Aug 15, 2011 -- 8:06PM, Veslfen wrote:

to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.


Aug 1, 2011 -- 12:35AM, Ragnarokio wrote:

when in rome RAPE AND PILLAGE


Jan 31, 2012 -- 11:23AM, TchainT wrote:

I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.


Dymecoar:

Playing Magic without Blue is like sleeping without any sheets or blankets.  You can do it...but why?


Omega137:

Me: "I love the moment when a control deck stabilizes. It feels so... right."
Omega137: "I like the life drop part until you get there, it's the MtG variant of bungee jumping"


Zigeif777:

Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.


Apr 1, 2011 -- 10:29AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

Apr 1, 2011 -- 10:09AM, quadibloc wrote:

It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf , Darksteel Colossus , or Platinum Angel . It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus , Mox Sapphire , and Time Walk .


Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.


Sep 26, 2010 -- 5:11PM, Test-Subject_217601 wrote:

Sep 26, 2010 -- 5:06PM, NeoMint wrote:

I didn't know Samurai were known to be able to cut down whole armies...


They can when they're using lightsabers !


Sep 19, 2011 -- 11:59AM, Sebanovich wrote:

Sep 19, 2011 -- 11:54AM, Long_Con wrote:

My wife brought home a baby black squirrel they found on a horse track and cared for it for a few days.  We named it Grixis, but it died. 


Unearth it!


Jan 15, 2011 -- 8:07PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

I'm a Da Vinci Neurok.





And I'm on Magic Arcana. How about you?
Oh, by the way, I'm also on From the Lab now.
Twice, actually. And now with my own submited decklist!
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2011 - 6:50PM #70
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I swear someone dared MaRo or Garfield to make a justifiable mechanic to make ppl spend money on WotC-sanctioned PROXIES.  'Cause now you NEED them to not have your new cards be marked.

I'd so totally call this jumping the shark.  Why?

Come September, we'll find out that these checklist cards will only come in booster packs and prerelease kits.  Then those who buy boxes will be even MORE ahead of those who don't have the dough, and will no doubt sell the checklists online when they become the only tournament-legal option.

And I can assure you that they won't be in every pack.  They lose so much advertising without their precious tip cards.   

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GARRUK IS ON IT!!!!  They put a SET mechanic onto a planeswalker.  That is totally taboo, and much more akin to actually jumping the shark.


How could they do this?  If this is what Garfield does nowadays, count me out.  I don't care if we got fabulous enemy duals and a Ghost Quarter reprint. You neutered your own chase mythic.

I was hoping for something that could HELP people get into tournaments, not drive us away with rotation into this verbally dumbed-down, legally overcomplicated TRIPE.  The moment I saw the word "fight", I said, "This game is becoming Yugioh!  ****ing Yugioh!"

Why didn't they just make an Un-Set?  If Garfield wants to yank people he should get it out through a non-tournament outlet, not a serious set where cards need to be LEGAL by THEMSELVES or people can't PLAY them.

'Cause now, yeah, integrity in casual drafting will be utterly impossible to maintain due to lack of boxes of mint insta-proxies.

Man, it just reads to me as "Innistrad block- Proxies Matter."

Plus, where do you keep them hidden if you have to have proxy standouts, and they're double sided?  Will the DCI have to make opaque sleeves mandatory for entering a tournament now?  That's even more expense and rules trouble, all for stupid Ph.D man.
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Sep 17, 2011 -- 3:39AM, TheMaskedWanderer wrote:

I can't really understand people that just go along with the school, job, marrige, kids type goals in life because that is what they think is right. If people want those things they should want them because it makes them happy. I had an ex like that, she wanted those things because her family and her peers all wanted those things. Thinking for yourself is one of the greatest things you are capable of.



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