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2 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2011 - 10:15AM #11
Highwayman
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Innistrad is Homelands 2.0. That's the only good reason I can think for this article.

By the way, my GDS2 designs for Ulgrotha (actual Homelands 2.0) had a page dedicated to tribes, where the humans vs werewolves vs vampires was a major flavour setting. Oh, and there were a lot of pirates too. That page got deleted for some reason. Was I getting close to the mark?

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2011 - 10:42AM #12
Missile_Penguin
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I would be very interested to see this "The Brothers' War: A History ofAntiquities" mentioned in the article reprinted.  Or is it archived online somewhere?

I hope that the player response to the return of the Phyrexians continues to encourage Wizards to revisit the epic that was Magic's first 10-year+ storyline.  Even if the only remnants of it are a blasted wasteland of Dominaria and the New Phyrexians, I would be happy. 
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2011 - 10:53AM #13
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Aug 22, 2011 -- 10:42AM, Missile_Penguin wrote:

I would be very interested to see this "The Brothers' War: A History ofAntiquities" mentioned in the article reprinted.  Or is it archived online somewhere?

I hope that the player response to the return of the Phyrexians continues to encourage Wizards to revisit the epic that was Magic's first 10-year+ storyline.  Even if the only remnants of it are a blasted wasteland of Dominaria and the New Phyrexians, I would be happy. 


Well, the Artifacts Cycle (The Brother's War, Planeswalker, Time Streams, Bloodlines, and The Thran, sorta) tie into a lot of what went on in Antiquities. In fact, The Brother's War is the direct novelization of that story. It's very worth checking out. You can buy the books in omnibus form now, actually, which I highly recommend doing.

There is not, to my knowledge, a lot of supplementary material. If anyone knows of anything, please send it along to me, because something like that would belong in the M:EM Archive.

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2011 - 10:55AM #14
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I have read the Artifacts cycle, but would love to read this original document, see what differences there are and such.

Also, if there are scans of this article, complete with the Dancing Ferrets on it, I would love to see them.

In fact, Wizards, I owuld love you guys forever if you could publish the whole run of Duelist and TopDeck online for viewing, or possibly iPad download.  Some great stuff to see there. 
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2011 - 11:23AM #15
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Aug 22, 2011 -- 3:58AM, goblinrecruiter wrote:

This is somewhat ironic considering that the average power level of Legends is not much higher than that of Homelands.  Legends had a few very good cards, but it also had a lot of very bad ones.


In the long run, nobody is going to remember Sivitri Scarzam and Teleport , but holy crap Mana Drain and Moat !

Average power level is meaningless.  Sets are defined by only their best cards, over time.

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2011 - 11:32AM #16
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Aug 22, 2011 -- 10:55AM, Missile_Penguin wrote:

I have read the Artifacts cycle, but would love to read this original document, see what differences there are and such.

Also, if there are scans of this article, complete with the Dancing Ferrets on it, I would love to see them.

In fact, Wizards, I owuld love you guys forever if you could publish the whole run of Duelist and TopDeck online for viewing, or possibly iPad download.  Some great stuff to see there. 


Ah, that, I don't know, unfortunately. To my knowledge, there isn't any original design stuff from back in those days floating around. I'm pretty sure that was before even Venters got really involved with the storyline, so I doubt even he would really have any material.

It's quite possible that some stuff is still somewhere on the net. I have to go through the Internet Archive a bit more in search of this kind of thing.

You might try asking around on phyrexia.com. They might know of another place to look that I haven't thought of.

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2011 - 1:40PM #17
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Aug 22, 2011 -- 3:23AM, fractal wrote:

I have been craving knowledge of how some of Magic's  earlier expansions were envisioned and designed of late. Fantastic  article, thank you for republishing it (coincidentally, the week before  Innistrad previews).


I still wonder how coincidental the timing is.  Kelly assures us that  Innistrad is not Ulgrotha - fine.  The reason I originally suspected  Ulgrotha, however, is because it looked like Liliana had slain Baron  Sengir - even if that happened in Innistrad, rather than Ulgrotha  (and he was looking for a way to invade some other plane), that  could justify an article showing us his design now.



Yeah,  I've tended to believe that Innistrad was the very plane the Baron and  his army had invaded via the Dwarven Gate ever since we saw the first  promo art for the set. And while it makes sense on a couple different  levels (she's a planeswalker, ending the old storyline neatly) that  Liliana would defeat Baron Sengir, I hope that's either not the case or  that the Baron puts up a good fight.

And now, watch Innistrad have nothing to do with Homelands at all.


Aug 22, 2011 -- 8:50AM, Shadoflaam wrote:

Which reminds me, The Last Baron is the best Mastodon song.




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2 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2011 - 2:10PM #18
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Aug 22, 2011 -- 3:23AM, fractal wrote:

The reason I originally suspected Ulgrotha, however, is because it looked like Liliana had slain Baron Sengir - even if that happened in Innistrad, rather than Ulgrotha (and he was looking for a way to invade some other plane), that could justify an article showing us his design now.


Well, with both having a horror theme, I suppose that is enough.

After others mentioned Homelands in connection with Innistrad, what I noticed was the groove in a circular arc in the Innistrad logo - so I thought that might suggest a globe, which ties in to the Homelands expansion symbol.

I knew that was quite a reach, but I thought it worth mentioning at the time.

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2011 - 2:27PM #19
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Over the years I've learned to parse statements from WOTC very carefully. 

Now, please note that—and you can quote me on this—Innistrad is not Ulgrotha, a few superficial similarities notwithstanding.




The author doesn't say there is no relationship whatsoever, just that the plane of Innistradis is not Ulgrotha. There could still be folks that escaped from that little pocket universe and are wreaking havoc elsewhere.

I managed to buy a few issues of The Duelist back in the day, and this issue with this story is one of them, and I've always loved reading about it. Still hard to believe so many of the problems are because one person didn't turn a page....

 

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2011 - 3:20PM #20
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Homelands didn't really have a horror theme, though. Just because Baron Sengir was the breakaway character from the pack doesn't mean that he was the set's theme. You wouldn't say Ravnica had a horror theme, and yet the big bad was a vampire.

The similarities between the planes really are remarkable only in their superficiality. They are remarkably unremarkable.
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