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2 years ago  ::  Aug 17, 2011 - 8:42PM #1
badmalloc
Date Joined: Aug 17, 2011
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Hey everybody. I wrote an article about Modern here:

birdsofparadise-mtg.blogspot.com/2011/08...

In short, I think Modern is great because it's a solid foundation on which to build an eternal format. Right now Modern seems to play like the old Extended but eventually it will replace Legacy just like Legacy replaced Vintage as the most popular eternal format.

They key, of course, is reprints. 

Check it out; let me know what you think! 
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 17, 2011 - 9:04PM #2
Nighthavk
Date Joined: Feb 17, 2011
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Basically, as someone who used to blog: You're pretty much stating the obvious, and the tone of the article is indistinguishable from any other blog. But most of all:

"Imagine if you wanted to play vintage and you finally saved up $2000 and bought a set of moxen (you got a really good deal). Then you find out Wizards decided to break their reprint policy and sell a special edition, from the vault, tournament legal box product with the same set for $100. What a slap in the face."

The biggest slap in the face have always been not bieng able to play with the cards you own. This is coming from someone who owns some power and several duals. I'd rather they be 1/10th of the price because of a reprint than see vintage (and to an extend legacy) be obsoleted. WotC tried to break reprint - Aaron Forsythe went as far as to publicly state his dislike of the policy and several members of RnD traveled to SCG, TnT, CFB and several other big vendors and discussed with them reprint policy. It seemed for a moment it would finally get axed, because all the parties gave the green light, but suddenly, without explanation, WotC said they wouild never change the policy, ever. Means a possible law suit threat.

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 17, 2011 - 9:07PM #3
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Yeah, I kind of like Modern too. Now I just need to replace my five circle of protections from unlimited, and one from ice age, for the ones from 8th edtion...

Anyone want cards worth $3-5 For ones worth less from 8th? XD
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 17, 2011 - 9:44PM #4
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Aug 17, 2011 -- 9:04PM, Nighthavk wrote:

Basically, as someone who used to blog: You're pretty much stating the obvious, and the tone of the article is indistinguishable from any other blog. But most of all:

"Imagine if you wanted to play vintage and you finally saved up $2000 and bought a set of moxen (you got a really good deal). Then you find out Wizards decided to break their reprint policy and sell a special edition, from the vault, tournament legal box product with the same set for $100. What a slap in the face."

The biggest slap in the face have always been not bieng able to play with the cards you own. 




Thanks for the feedback.

While I agree there is a lot of background information, I don't feel like the entire article is obvious. Predicting that Wizards will reprint cards in stand-alone products to engineer the price of Modern tournament staples downward to maximize player base and profit doesn't seem obvious to me. I mean, I could be wrong!

I hear what you're saying about the the slap in the face being you can't play with your power 9 because Vintage is obsoleted. But, hasn't that already happened? I guess Modern obsoletes your Dual Lands now too (eventually). 

Transitioning eternal formats may be a bit of a painful process, but once we get there we'll be in a better place.

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 17, 2011 - 10:24PM #5
Nooneyouknow
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I never really understood the line of reasoning that goes behind Beta/Unlimited/Etc cards tanking in price because of reprints. First editions of novels, board games, even video games do not go down in value when a new edition is printed, and I really don't see any reason for Magic cards to behave differently.  A Beta edition of a card is still rare, and therefore valuable.  Having the dual lands reprinted should have very little impact on the collectible value of the existing cards.
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 17, 2011 - 10:31PM #6
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Date Joined: Mar 21, 2010
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Legacy is my favorite format, over the years I've slowly built up my collection to where I have a good number of legacy staples in my collection (though I only own a playset of taiga and a couple of bayou's and plataeu's as far as the dual lands go).

What annoys me about modern is the ban list seems way to conservative, everytime I've had an idea for a deck I've hit problems with a card being on the banlist.

I sleeved up a midrange aggro deck only to find that jitte is banned.

I tried to make a White weenie deck then Stoneforge gets banned,

I made a bant deck (with jace as the win con), jace is banned, oh and so is ancestral visions.

Then there are other cards that are banned that leave me scratching my head like div top and chrome mox (Div top I can understand if they don't want counter balance decks but why not ban counter balance then).

Without seeing much of the meta my feeling is that combo and control are not good enough, I suspect the format will be dominated by aggro decks at least for a while and thats partly the banned lists fault. Of course I'm just looking at the format through legacy tinted glasses, I guess I'll give it a few months and see what happens.
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 17, 2011 - 10:41PM #7
Nooneyouknow
Date Joined: Aug 18, 2011
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Top is banned entirely for slowing games down. Dunno how much Magic Online you play, but pretty much every time the card is used 40 seconds get burned off the clock.  It really does slow games down bad.
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 18, 2011 - 1:21AM #8
Nighthavk
Date Joined: Feb 17, 2011
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Aug 17, 2011 -- 9:44PM, badmalloc wrote:

Thanks for the feedback.

While I agree there is a lot of background information, I don't feel like the entire article is obvious. Predicting that Wizards will reprint cards in stand-alone products to engineer the price of Modern tournament staples downward to maximize player base and profit doesn't seem obvious to me. I mean, I could be wrong!


That is the whoile purpose of Modern - An eternal format where they don't have to worry about prices.

If you track its evolution, the first idea for an eternal format not haunted by reprint policy was by Ben Bleisweiss of SCG, dubbed Overextended, that was Mercadian Masques/7th forward. Eventually, Modern was proposed by Wizards inlieu of Overextended, stated by Tomn Lapille.

Aug 17, 2011 -- 9:44PM, badmalloc wrote:

I hear what you're saying about the the slap in the face being you can't play with your power 9 because Vintage is obsoleted. But, hasn't that already happened? I guess Modern obsoletes your Dual Lands now too (eventually). 


That's exactly the point. The high price barrier to Vintage killed it, because you can't compete without Power/Duals and they're obscenely expensive. And they couldn't be reprinted. Again, thus Modern.

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 18, 2011 - 2:09AM #9
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If, however, Wizards added the mighty Tarmogoyf to the next core set as a  mythic rare, you now have extra demand on the new core set which sells  more cards for Wizards, and since there are now more goyfs in the world  now, its price drops. Interestingly, the fairly recent of invention of  the mythic rare can be used in this case to have a more controlled price  drop of a reprinted card (as opposed to reprinting at rare). This is a  win-win situation: Wizards makes money off a high demand reprint and  players have access to cheaper cards.




There is a problem with this reasoning: if Tarmogoyf was reprinted in any Standard-legal set, demand for it would increase dramatically, so its price would in fact shoot up. The same is true for most cards that are good in Modern. Especially shocklands. If these were to be reprinted, two-colored Standard decks would play 4 and three-colored around 10.

In Legacy, Blue is the best color. Let's punish blue, in Modern. And they listened!
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 18, 2011 - 2:45AM #10
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Yes and no. Yes, prices would shoot up initially. Then, a year later, they´d drop to just about the same level because there would be more of them, but they would also be playable in Extended. Then, once they rotate out of there they would drop again.

I´d really rather see some of the staples reprinted. Even if prices are a bit higher, there would also be more of them to go around, which would make trading for them easier for a lot of players. This would mean that more players would feel that Modern is accesible - especially new players, seeing as they would need the same lands for Standard and Modern.

The problem is that Wizards don´t want to print powerful duals with a life cost, as they "don´t appeal as much to newer players". This means that if they were to be reprinted, it would likely not be in a Core Set, making each one harder to reprint in more than one set.

I still hope that we will see Shocklands in Standard. Now that the Zendikar Fetchlands are rotating out of the format, it´s also much more of a real possiblity, IMO. For some reason, I get the feeling that Wizards don´t want Standard to have fetches and Shocklands at the same time. =)
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