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2 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2011 - 1:43PM
#11
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Life from the Loam
Rampant Growth
Cultivate
Harmonize
Overrun
Noxious Revival
Vines of Vastwood
Beast Within
Krosan Grip
Heritage Druid
Joraga Treespeaker
Llanowar Elves
Nettle Sentinel
Fauna Shaman
Overgrown Battlement
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Scryb Ranger
Vine Trellis
Wall of Roots
Dauntless Escort
Eternal Witness
Great Sable Stag
Kitchen Finks
Troll Ascetic
Bloodbraid Elf
Chameleon Colossus
Obstinate Baloth
Wilt-Leaf Liege
Acidic Slime
Oversoul of Dusk
Spectral Force
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2 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2011 - 2:33PM
#12
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Date Joined:
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 Boasts?
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"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance." - Laurence J. Peter "It is the province of knowledge to speak, and it is the privilege of wisdom to listen.” - Oliver Wendell Holmes
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2 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2011 - 3:14PM
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I think there are a few people forgetting that this thread is titled "modern staples", not "modern cards that could potentiall see play in a single deck archetype".
Anyone looking to get into modern is going to see a list of 400+ cards and just get lost. To be honest, I think Radien would be better off listing the prevalent decks, and the common cards among those archetypes, i.e. "Zoo decks tend to run these creatures, XYZ", and "Common land destruction/disruption cards include XYZ"
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2 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2011 - 3:53PM
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I generally agree... with the exception being until we get a meta this thread is pretty subjective.
To be more blunt... I wouldn't paste everything Anon_Eon is posting. There's a lot of good stuff in there... but just as much cute stuff you'll rarely see.
I mean... Scryb Ranger? Noxious Revival? Did I miss something?
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"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance." - Laurence J. Peter "It is the province of knowledge to speak, and it is the privilege of wisdom to listen.” - Oliver Wendell Holmes
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2 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2011 - 3:56PM
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Oh I fully understand, and I will stop the lists. Its just really there are hundreds of cards that you can call a staple in a format like this. Add to the fact that we havent seen any major tournament play yet and we have no idea what ideas the pros will have comming into this. I mean 12 post seems like its going to be a major player, and likely zoo will be here but what do you think will be a staple in zoo other than nactal and tarmgoyf. Then you come back to SB's and what matchups those cards will be included taking it from the meta, which we dont have.
But the in genral things like blood moon and magus of the moon should probaly be included since 12 post is pretty much a non basic deck, that even with a control shell in it will have difficulties dealing with those 2 cards to some extent. Thats also why I complained about Anathemancer since in a R/bDW deck or a red black control shell its such a hoser to nonbasics.
Then there could be wall.dec with Overgrown Battlement, Vine Trellis, and Wall of Roots blocking on the aggro maches and ramping into some huge spell or creature lke sun titan or baneslayer. Unlikely I know but what overall would you do for staples after that?
You will notice that most the cards I've listed have some realistic value to any meta. I really really wanted to include alot of cards from my old MGAE decks like silhana ledgewalker, but refrained since other than that deck, it really didnt see play in any other along with quite a few creatures I had in there that were fun like Giant Soldifuge.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2011 - 4:04PM
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I generally agree... with the exception being until we get a meta this thread is pretty subjective.
To be more blunt... I wouldn't paste everything Anon_Eon is posting. There's a lot of good stuff in there... but just as much cute stuff you'll rarely see.
I mean... Scryb Ranger? Noxious Revival? Did I miss something?
Scrybs pro blue in a meta sure to be blue, and can help mana fixing. Sure its not like cryptic command level utility but it does have uses in a green shell of Llanlawars and its breathren. Ill conside the point that its more cute than utility, but really what else can you put in green thats not just a beater or mana fixer.
Noxious can be cast in any deck and can be played for semi free even without green mana to recover whatever spell you decide you need that you have played, or you can timewalk an opponent by giving him some spell or land you have blown up if they have been filtering their deck somehow.
After that what else is there in green that you would call a staple in a blank meta?
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2 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2011 - 4:24PM
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I agree with Niche and Razorgore. A lot of the cards in here are not going to see any play.
I think that the list should include:
1) Cards that will see tons of play across different archetypes (Thoughtseize, Bob, Goyf, etc.), and
2) Cards which may or may not be played outside their respective archetypes, but will define a prevalent archetype to such a degree that the card needs to be taken into account when deckbuilding (Doran, Bloodbraid Elf, Ravager, Living End).
I'd say something like:
Lands:
Basics
Shocks
Fetches
City of Brass
Mutavault
Dryad Arbor
Cloudpost/Glimmerpost/Vesuva
Grove of the Burnwillows
Darksteel Citadel
Blinkmoth Nexus
Treetop Village
Black:
Thoughtseize
Inquisition of Kozilek
Dark Confidant
Smother
Living End
Phyrexian Arena
Damnation
Red:
Goblin Guide
Kird Ape
Grim Lavamancer
Lightning Bolt
Shrapnel Blast/Galvanic Blast
Tribal Flames
Char
Blood Moon
Magus of the Moon
Molten Rain
Ancient Grudge
Tin-Street Hooligans
Punishing Fire
Green:
Tarmogoyf
Green Sun's Zenith
Wild Nacatl
Birds of Paradise
Noble Hierarch
Wall of Roots
Eternal Witness
Harmonize
Tooth and Nail
Reap and Sow
White:
Path to Exile
Loam Lion
Ranger of Eos
Wrath of God
Martyr of Sands
Burrenton Forge-Tender
Kataki, War's Wage
Ethersworn Canonist
Elspeth, Knight Errant
Runed Halo
Proclamation of Rebirth
Blue:
Spell Snare
Gifts Ungiven
Mana Leak
Condescend
Cryptic Command
Master of Etherium
Thoughtcast
Lord of Atlantis
Spellstutter Sprite
Vendillon Clique
Multicolour:
Bloodbraid Elf
Doran the Siege Tower
Lightning Helix
Qasali Pridemage
Knight of the Reliquary
Meddling Mage
Maelstrom Pulse
Colourless:
Vedalken Shackles
Pithing Needle
Ornithopter
Arcbound Ravager
Cranial Plating
Emrakul, the Aeons Thorn
Sword of Fire and Ice
Aether Vial
Engineered Explosives
Frogmite
Chalice of the Void
Tormod's Crypt
Mox Opal
...and then pretty much leave it at that. To me, that looks like the core staples of the new format.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2011 - 4:33PM
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Pretty decent list, Alien. Most of the other cards in the format tend to be relegated to a single deck.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2011 - 5:19PM
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To be fair, quite a lot of the ones on my suggested list are too. I did, however, try to pick out some of the iconic cards of said decks, rather than just name every card in every deck which might be viable.
Thanks for the appraisal. =)
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2 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2011 - 10:17PM
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Sakura-Tribe Elder  gets replaced by Viridian Emissary  .
Actually Niche I think I have to take back my previous statement of agreeing with you I am finding Elder to just be doing the job so much better having the ability to get the land when I want is just really crucial like if I need a turn 3 Damnation or Garruk when playing DC it allows me that without any if ands or buts. And really the 2 power doesn't make as much of a difference when most of the creatures i want to kill in combat like bob only have one power and most creatures in zoo are large enough where even the Emissary won't kill them and in WW the other agro deck you could expect to see most of their creatures have first strike meaning you can't even kill the x/2's.
And it's said that youth's ,well only tragedy Is being unoriginal niche's solution to everything is always MOAR BLACK!
"ok, my legacy mono black control deck is getting hated out by light of day  ..."
"MOAR BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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