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2 years ago ::
Aug 06, 2011 - 7:13AM
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greetings the 13 cards are put on the graveyard before or after my oponent search the library? Archive Trap 
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2 years ago ::
Aug 06, 2011 - 7:15AM
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the 13 cards are put on the graveyard before or after my oponent search the library?
Archive Trap
They are put into the graveyard when archive trap resolves. If you're casting Archive trap for its alternative cost, then it must already be after your opponent searched his library.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 06, 2011 - 7:23AM
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let me put this example. my oponent carst Demonic Tutor  at the same time e uses the card i use Archive Trap then the top 13 card are put in the graveyard after he gets is card?
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2 years ago ::
Aug 06, 2011 - 7:28AM
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proud member of the 2011 community team
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2 years ago ::
Aug 06, 2011 - 7:30AM
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2 years ago ::
Aug 06, 2011 - 7:42AM
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normaly i respond by paing the 0 cost
thanks for the help
best wishes
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2 years ago ::
Aug 06, 2011 - 8:01AM
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normaly i respond by paing the 0 cost
that doesn't work unless he searched the library before with a different spell
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2 years ago ::
Aug 06, 2011 - 9:09AM
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To elaborate - if you want to pay 0, you have to wait until after your opponent has searched his library. In other words, casting it in response to Demonic Tutor (i.e., when Tutor is still on the stack) is too early to allow you to pay the 0 cost, because Tutor hasn't yet resolved, and so your opponent hasn't yet searched his library (assuming he didn't already search it earlier in the turn due to a different ability/spell).
If you want to pay 0, you need to wait until Demonic Tutor resolves. Part of the Tutor's resolution is searching the library and selecting a card. Necessarily, the 13 cards from Archive Trap will be put in after your opponent searches his library.
If you want to pay the regular casting cost of Trap, you can do so in response to Tutor. In this case, Trap will resolve first, your opponent will put 13 cards in the graveyard, and then Tutor will resolve, allowing them to search the remainder of their library.
Rules Advisor - 10/24/2010
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2 years ago ::
Aug 06, 2011 - 10:26PM
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ok, so if i wait after they search their library and then play it for the 0 cost, is its converted mana cost now 0 or still 5?
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2 years ago ::
Aug 06, 2011 - 10:39PM
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- Niftily helpful
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The converted mana cost of the Trap never changes, no matter how much you pay for it. The converted mana cost is always 5, whether you're casting it for its normal cost or its alternate cost.
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