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2 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2011 - 11:20AM
#291
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So I've been watching a ton of modern online the last few days and I 've gotta say 12 post is rediculously good. Seriously people, maindeck Ghost Quarter  you won't be sorry you did.
Best I've seen so far, turn 4 primeval titan, turn 5 Ulamog. Not to mention it runs good defensive cards like remand to slow the opponent early.
I still think a solid aggro deck with a dedicated hate package can beat 12 post, the problem is no one is innovating to beat it right now. I mean the decks biggest weakness is if they can't find their first cloudpost. If they can't find it or you destroy it, they have trouble keeping up.
I think peope will make combo version first, get stumped by a t1 Nacatl, then realise that hey, a blue control package is just as fast, and can kill nacatl for a single R to gain tons of life in the long run.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2011 - 3:17PM
#292
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2 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2011 - 3:56PM
#293
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I wouldn't say its less efficient. Its more incremental whereas Living End starts the LD a turn slower usually and then tries to seal the deal with a geddon-like recursion... which is pretty darn decent.
Can you share a current Living End deck? I'd like to see how its progressed since I last considered it (the cycling version).
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2 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2011 - 5:01PM
#294
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By the way, having a thread entitled "If Modern became an actual format" in the Modern forum and knowing that the thread is, indeed, older than the forum is really kinda funny to me.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2011 - 6:06PM
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You want to have the only good control deck (atm) in the format banned?
Not cool. 
... 12-post isn't a control deck.
Your telling me with even this huge vast cardpool you cant think of a way to beat it?
"Oh I cant beat this its just to powerfull, put the ban hammer on it."
Thats getting annoying.
No, of course there are ways to beat it. If you make a deck that is specifically designed to hose it, of course you can do it.
The problem is that the ways to beat 12-post are relatively specialised rather than general (because basically it requires targeting lands).
Land-denial is going to be great against 12-post but almost completely useless against:
RDW
MBC
Merfolk and of limited effectiveness against zoo, faeries, and if we see an affinity build, affinity too. That is, to be good against 12-post.dek, you are going to have a fair amount of redundancy against a lot of the other "tier 1.5" decks, if I can call them that. To put it another way: suppose you try to run 4x ghost quarter and 4x tectonic edge to combat 12-post. That has big implications for your manabase and immediately restricts what you can play. Gatekeeper of malakir (for example) all of a sudden is out of reach.
The issue is not that it can't be beaten, it's that the presence of teh deck in the meta will warp the construction of other decks which would otherwise probably be reasonably well-matched.
@niche - you might be right on the MBC call, worth investigating anyway.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2011 - 7:41PM
#296
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... 12-post isn't a control deck.
???
what would you call it then? lots of mana control?
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2 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2011 - 8:22PM
#297
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It's really a ramp deck. Ramp is pretty much the best way to define the decks that focus their list on reaching end-game levels of mana as soon as possible, and eschew interactive cards for blowouts like AiD or Emrakul.
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