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2 years ago ::
Aug 01, 2011 - 4:27PM
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Date Joined:
May 21, 2009
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The reason for this thread is to lay some of the load off of Catowner, I'm sure if there were 2 helpers, it'll be a lot easier than 1.
My rubric is the same as Catowner's rubric:
How to submit your deck for advice:
put the following:
-the list: autocarded, I know all the cards, it's just easier to read that way.
-a number between 1 and 3 depending on how hard you want me to critique it. 1 is give nice suggestions and don't try to alter the structure of the deck, 2 is be honest but try to be constructive, and 3 is tell me what you honestly think about it.
-your budget in dollars, pounds, or euros. I can google the conversion rate.
At any rate, enjoy the help!
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2 years ago ::
Aug 01, 2011 - 5:45PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 19, 2011
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Alrighty, been throwing this around the forums lately w/ some adjustments, but more advice never hurt anyone. here is the list. 26 lands 4x tectonic edge  5x plains  5x forest  4x sunpetal grove  4x stirring wildwood  4x razorverge thicket  8 creatures 2x acidic slime  3x wurmcoil engine  3x solemn simulacrum  6 plainswalkers 4x garruk, primal hunter  2x karn liberated  7 ramp spells 3x rampant growth  4x explore  13 control spells 3x beast within  4x day of judgment  1x condemn  3x oblivion ring  2x dismember  sideboard 4x nature's claim  4x timely reinforcements  2x grand abolisher  4x torpor orb  1x naturalize  3 I am not on a budget as you can obviously see from my list. Quick thoughts I've had on the deck so far. It generally speaking beats control decks. Every once in a while it'll hit a snag if the opponent gets the right mana leaks off, but generally it'll win. It beats pod decks the vast majority of the time. Honestly rarely loses. It can be beat by knights/tempered, but that has more to do w/ the draw and luck. It has most trouble vs valakut and red aggro. That is why 4 torpor orb and 4 timely reinforcements in the sb. Overall it is a very solid deck and a lot of fun to play. Would love to improve the matchups vs aggro and kut though.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 01, 2011 - 5:50PM
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Date Joined:
May 21, 2009
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Have you thought of Leyline of Sanctity  in the sb? That won't completely improve the Valakut MU but it should help. Also, I'd go ahead and add the 4th Solemn. Lotus Cobra seems really good in a deck like this, I'd rather see it over the Condemn and the Rampant Growths. 4 DoJ is too many so I'd cut 1 for the 4th Solemn, so your list might be good looking like this: -3 Rampant Growth -1 DoJ -1 Condemn (it really isn't that good) +4 Lotus Cobra +1 Solemn Simulacrum Oh, and 1 more thing, since your biggest trouble is Valakut, I'd drop an Oblivion Ring for a 4th Beast Within.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 01, 2011 - 6:09PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 19, 2011
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Leyline really isn't a bad idea. Even vs the red decks the main issue is the nukes, not the creatures. So yea, leyline works there. Could drop 2 abolishers and put in 2 leyline. It'll also do well vs valakut, though it definitely won't win the matchup for me. Great idea and I'm going to add that for sure. U really think lotus cobra will do the job? It dies to my doj (though admittantly I don't generally use doj right away unless its a crazy aggro strat). It also is going to get blown up by every removal spell in the book. It 100% won't help my matchup vs red, and it likely won't help my matchup vs kut either since they usually run some burn. Also, if i run lotus I would really need to run some fetchlands to make it worthwhile. Because turn 2 lotus, turn 3 land is 4 mana. That doesn't do much for me since my main enabler is garruk at 5 mana. I'm open to dropping an O-ring for beast within. The biggest trouble I have w/ beast is that if I have 2 in my starting hand I really don't like it. The extra solemn is not a bad idea but I need to make sure I hit 4 mana on turn 3 so it can be used most effectively. That means explore, growth, or lotus. And back to the issue w/ lotus being destroyed. So yea, I really don't like lotus in this deck. It is weak against the things I'm already weak against and if it dies it has added 0 value to the board. I can test it out to see how it will do, but I don't really have very high hopes for it. As far as doj -1. It is a very rare thing that I'm sad to see a doj in hand. 95% of the time I'm extremely happy even with 2 doj in hand, because it is just such a powerful way to slow the game down. It destroys so many decks and even against control decks its not horrid because they generally will end up dropping a big. The only type of decks I hate to see doj in is against non creature decks, and those are rare enough that I feel I can always side it out if that situation arises. Condemn is not my favorite card either. There is a reason I only have it as a 1 of. But I run it more because I need a cheap way to deal with aggro and this is a pretty good solution. Also, it generally will find a use against most decks at some point as a 1 of. That being said, I am open to dropping it in favor of 1 more solemn. Thanks for the advice  . I'll try out some of ur stuff and let u know how it worked out.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 01, 2011 - 6:19PM
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I'm gonna check out how good your critiques are. Here's my list:
lvl 3:
16 Forest
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 tectonic edge
1 Brutalizer Exarch
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Acidic Slime
4 Dungrove Elder
2 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Obstinate Baloth
1 Primeval Titan
4 Rampant Growth
3 Garruk, Primal Hunter
4 Overgrown Battlement
3 Karn Liberated
2 Brittle effigy
1 Gaea's Revenge
SB: 1 Viridian Corrupter
SB: 1 Swamp
SB: 4 Memoricide
SB: 4 Nature's Claim
SB: 2 Creeping Corrosion
SB: 2 Obstinate Baloth
SB: 1 Acid Web Spider
1000th post November 26, 2010. Where Islands gets his decks: Spoiler:
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It was revealed to me in a dream. All the cards were in my dream except for three slots which I plugged in as Vault Skirge.
FULL DISCLOSURE: The dream was post AVR so there was a copy of Slayer's Stronghold. I decided to keep it pre AVR in my post here.
EDIT: I just remembered. The Skirges might have been 2x Whipflare and 1x something else, probably War and Peace.
EDIT2: Currently 4-0 in my first four games with this. My opponents have been very angry. I fought off a Wurmcoil from Grixis for six turns before I found my second Dispatch. Jeez, I can do a lot of damage.
EDIT3: Streak broken. Lost to an unexpected Overrun.  Cracking a Shrine for 10 wasn't enough.
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that kinda freaked me out
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2 years ago ::
Aug 01, 2011 - 6:33PM
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Date Joined:
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Might want to autocard that list, as per your rules and his 
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2 years ago ::
Aug 01, 2011 - 7:07PM
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Date Joined:
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Might want to autocard that list, as per your rules and his
It is fine, I know what all the cards do
Catowner, I'm gonna need you to provide a description as your deck is all over the place. I don't know why, but I kept looking for a Sword but couldn't find one.
By looking at the list, I wonder how you deal with Twin? You have no MB answers and your sb answers are easily dealt with. I do like Dungrove Elder, but I hate Gaea's Revenge.
You need Swords in that deck.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 01, 2011 - 8:36PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 14, 2009
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2 years ago ::
Aug 01, 2011 - 8:50PM
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Date Joined:
May 21, 2009
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I'll be honest, I don't like it. You are aggro and control? It seems wierd to run DOJ with THAT many guys. I'd stick to one strategy and try that.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 01, 2011 - 8:54PM
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Date Joined:
Nov 26, 2009
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// Lands
4 [ZEN] Arid Mesa
4 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
1 [ROE] Evolving Wilds
3 [WWK] Celestial Colonnade
4 [SOM] Seachrome Coast
2 [M11] Glacial Fortress
2 [ZEN] Island (3)
3 [ZEN] Mountain (3)
3 [ZEN] Plains (2a)
// Creatures
4 [NPH] Deceiver Exarch
1 [MBS] Consecrated Sphinx
4 [M11] Squadron Hawk
2 [ZEN] Emeria Angel
// Spells
3 [ROE] Splinter Twin
4 [M11] Preordain
2 [ROE] Gideon Jura
2 [NPH] Dismember
4 [M12] Mana Leak
2 [M11] Jace Beleren
2 [ZEN] Day of Judgment
2 [NPH] Gitaxian Probe
2 [MBS] Sword of Feast and Famine
// Sideboard
SB: 1 [M11] Jace Beleren
SB: 1 [ZEN] Into the Roil
SB: 3 [M12] Timely Reinforcements
SB: 2 [M11] Combust
SB: 3 [ZEN] Spell Pierce
SB: 1 [M11] Day of Judgment
SB: 2 [MBS] Slagstorm
SB: 1 [ROE] Deprive
SB: 1 [M12] Sun Titan
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budget w/e
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