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2 years ago ::
Jul 27, 2011 - 9:29AM
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My theory: Inkmoth is a land, lands do no have summoning sickness, Nexus (in land form) is played, I use one mana to activate his abilty to become a creature and swing, that is a land's ability, not a summon therefore he does not have summoning sickness Opponents (more than one) theory: Because it was not on the field since beginning of turn, it has summoning sickness. Problem with Opponent's theory: they are implying my land has summoning sickness, so why does every land not have summoning sickness? Exactly it doesn't, Rules say lands do NOT have summoning sickness Another rule to aid in my arguement: If a creature comes into the field, and has an instant style mana paying activated ability (not a tap ability) ex: Onyx Mage  you can still use that ability right? If so then my land's abilty to BECOME a creature and not be SUMMONED as a creature gives it the right to attack What is the correct ruling?
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2 years ago ::
Jul 27, 2011 - 9:35AM
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Your opponent is right. It doesn't matter what other types permanent might have. If it is a Creature, it is a subject of "Summoning sickness".
You are right, rules doesn't say that Lands have Summoning sickness but they say that Creatures have. And your Inkmoth Nexus is a Creature in your scenario (in addition to being a Land).
There is no such thing as "Land ability" or "Creature ability".
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2 years ago ::
Jul 27, 2011 - 9:37AM
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Date Joined:
Mar 12, 2011
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Any creature, be it a regular one, a token, animated land or anything else, is subject to summoning sickness, if it doesn't have haste and its controller didn't continously control the object since the beginning of his/her most recent turn. That the land entered the battlefield as a land and later became a creature doesn't matter. You didn't control the object as your turn began so it is summoning sick and cannot attack.
Summoning sickness prevents creatures from attacking and using abilities with the tap or untap symbols. Anything else is not effected by it.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 27, 2011 - 9:38AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 20, 2004
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My theory: Inkmoth is a land, lands do no have summoning sickness, Nexus (in land form) is played, I use one mana to activate his abilty to become a creature and swing, that is a land's ability, not a summon therefore he does not have summoning sickness
Opponents (more than one) theory: Because it was not on the field since beginning of turn, it has summoning sickness.
Problem with Opponent's theory: they are implying my land has summoning sickness, so why does every land not have summoning sickness? Exactly it doesn't, Rules say lands do NOT have summoning sickness
Another rule to aid in my arguement: If a creature comes into the field, and has an instant style mana paying activated ability (not a tap ability) ex: Onyx Mage you can still use that ability right? If so then my land's abilty to BECOME a creature and not be SUMMONED as a creature gives it the right to attack
What is the correct ruling?
Your land is not just a land any more - it is a creature, and creatures have summoning sickness.
(there is no rule "lands do not have summoning sickness" by the way; only one that says creatures do)
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2 years ago ::
Jul 27, 2011 - 9:40AM
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Oct 18, 2009
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Your opponents are correct. The "summoning sickness" rule doesn't care about any other card types. If it is a creature, the permanent is subject to the rule; if it is not a creature, the rule doesn't apply. Non-creature Artifacts don't have summoning sickness, but Artifact Creatures do. You can't say "Artifacts don't have summoning sickness", the rule just doesn't work this way. The same applies for non-creature Lands and Land Creatures (animated or continuously  ).
302.6. A creature's activated ability with the tap symbol or the untap symbol in its activation cost can't be activated unless the creature has been under its controller's control continuously since his or her most recent turn began. A creature can't attack unless it has been under its controller's control continuously since his or her most recent turn began. This rule is informally called the "summoning sickness" rule. The rule checks for three things:
1) is that permanent a creature?
2) do you control the permanent continuously since the start of your most recent turn?
3) does it have Haste? After being activated, Inkmoth is (now) a creature. You played it this turn, so you didn't control it continuously since the start of this turn. And it doesn't have Haste, therefore you can't attack with it.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 27, 2011 - 10:39AM
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Date Joined:
Jul 30, 2004
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Strictly speaking, the rules don't say anything has or doesn't have summoning sickness. "Summoning sickness" is an informal, flavourful term referring to the inability of creatures to attack or pay  or :q: costs unless they have haste, or that permanent has been under your control continuously since your turn last started. There are two commonly used models for summoning sickness: 1) Creatures enter the battlefield with "summoning sickness" which wears off when your turn starts. Creatures changing sides also get summoning sick, and permanents that turn into creatures sometimes get summoning sick (depending on how long you've controlled them). 2) Everything enters the battlefield with "summoning sickness", which wears off as your turn starts, but only creatures show any effect from it. Permanents changing sides also get summoning sick. The first model is easier to explain and easier to grasp as long as you aren't turning things into creatures. The second model covers everything better, but is harder to grasp at first, and seems a bit weird until you find out you can turn things into creatures.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 27, 2011 - 11:56AM
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if you did not control a creature since the beginning of your turn, then it can't tap that turn.
Your turn begins.
You drop inkmoth.
you pay 1 mana and convert inkmoth.
You cannot tap because you did not have control of that creature since the beginning of your turn.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 27, 2011 - 12:02PM
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Date Joined:
Aug 13, 2001
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if you did not control a creature since the beginning of your turn, then it can't tap that turn.
"It can't tap" is a poor way of putting it, for several reasons:
The "it can't tap" wording is misleading about how newly played creatures interact with all of the above. Far better to say what it actually can't do - attack, or use abilities (of its own) with the  or  symbols in their costs. Anything else is fair game.
Jeff Heikkinen
DCI Rules Advisor since Dec 25, 2011
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2 years ago ::
Jul 27, 2011 - 12:18PM
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point well taken.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 28, 2011 - 3:05AM
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Please keep your posts polite, respectful, and on-topic, and refrain from making personal attacks.
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