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2goth4U

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psst...
Zammm

there's a Rules T&T post that i started sitting in Rules Q&A
could you move it to its rightful home, please?

reference (community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...)

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RPJesus: "Man, screw the rules, I'll play a game of 2HG Archenemy Planechase Emperor EDH draft yet. Once I figure out the rules for it..."
Chaikov: "Of course, casual Magic may be played any way your Pokemon group agrees on..." and "It's not logic. It's Magic!"
GainsBanding: "I only play online. The Magic Online shuffler is AWESOME!"
Ikegami: "one might think [adult cats] would make excellent tokens. The issue, though, is that they are very hard to exile. They return to the battlefield more often than an undying creature."
Astarael7: "Does 121.1 imply that players are supposed to wear their poison counters?"
Bimmerbot: "If you move the wrong way and [the poison counters] fall, it's a game rule violation"
Helluminatus: "Just remember, if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks like a duck, but the oracle text says creature - Bunny , then by god, it's a bunny."
MadCow21: "Who are you and what have you done with the real Chaikov?"

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zammm

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Jul 11, 2011 -- 3:15PM, 2goth4U wrote:
psst...
Zammm

there's a Rules T&T post that i started sitting in Rules Q&A
could you move it to its rightful home, please?

Sure; though next time you could just ask in the stickied Requests thread in TCG Boards Business rather than try to catch me on some other thread.

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beyurslf

Date Joined: Oct 18, 2009

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Jul 11, 2011 -- 1:34PM, 2goth4U wrote:
Jul 11, 2011 -- 1:26PM, Jaws2k wrote:
Would a a permanent "stolen" with Bribery or Acquire return to it's owner as well?

no, they were put on the field under the control of that player so there's no control effect on the objects, they would just be exiled.

Zedruu has a control changing effect that is in place on the affected object. Bribery and Acquire (and Beacon of Unrest or Teneb, the Harvester as well) don't have a control effect, they just put an object on the field under their controller's control.

So what about the real Donate ? What happens with a card donate d to someone?

I play a Illusions of Grandeur deck with Donate . I have played it a few times with more than one opponent and have had the opponent who controlled it leave the game (not by the Illusion enchantment). Would I get it back in that case since it entered the battlefield under my control and and tranferred to someone else who then lost?

BVKnight

Date Joined: Jun 9, 2011

Posts: 54

I'll just tack this on here, since it fits so well with the thread topic...

If I donate a Platinum Angel

to my opponent using Zedruu the Greathearted

...
......and we are the last two players in the game.....
....and he kills me.....
....while he is below 0 life....
....who wins?

2goth4U

Date Joined: Oct 29, 2007

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So what about the real Donate ? What happens with a card donate d to someone?

the control effect ends and it returns to whoever would otherwise control it

I play a Illusions of Grandeur deck with Donate . I have played it a few times with more than one opponent and have had the opponent who controlled it leave the game (not by the Illusion enchantment). Would I get it back in that case since it entered the battlefield under my control and and tranferred to someone else who then lost?

yes (assuming you would otherwise control it)

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Wit found in Rules Q&A

RPJesus: "Man, screw the rules, I'll play a game of 2HG Archenemy Planechase Emperor EDH draft yet. Once I figure out the rules for it..."
Chaikov: "Of course, casual Magic may be played any way your Pokemon group agrees on..." and "It's not logic. It's Magic!"
GainsBanding: "I only play online. The Magic Online shuffler is AWESOME!"
Ikegami: "one might think [adult cats] would make excellent tokens. The issue, though, is that they are very hard to exile. They return to the battlefield more often than an undying creature."
Astarael7: "Does 121.1 imply that players are supposed to wear their poison counters?"
Bimmerbot: "If you move the wrong way and [the poison counters] fall, it's a game rule violation"
Helluminatus: "Just remember, if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks like a duck, but the oracle text says creature - Bunny , then by god, it's a bunny."
MadCow21: "Who are you and what have you done with the real Chaikov?"

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2goth4U

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Posts: 9,263

Jul 11, 2011 -- 3:53PM, BVKnight wrote:
I'll just tack this on here, since it fits so well with the thread topic...

If I donate a Platinum Angel to my opponent using Zedruu the Greathearted ...
......and we are the last two players in the game.....
....and he kills me.....
....while he is below 0 life....
....who wins?

he does because the game ends when you lose

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Goth/Industrial/EBM/Indie/Alternative/80's-Wave DJ
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Wit found in Rules Q&A

RPJesus: "Man, screw the rules, I'll play a game of 2HG Archenemy Planechase Emperor EDH draft yet. Once I figure out the rules for it..."
Chaikov: "Of course, casual Magic may be played any way your Pokemon group agrees on..." and "It's not logic. It's Magic!"
GainsBanding: "I only play online. The Magic Online shuffler is AWESOME!"
Ikegami: "one might think [adult cats] would make excellent tokens. The issue, though, is that they are very hard to exile. They return to the battlefield more often than an undying creature."
Astarael7: "Does 121.1 imply that players are supposed to wear their poison counters?"
Bimmerbot: "If you move the wrong way and [the poison counters] fall, it's a game rule violation"
Helluminatus: "Just remember, if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks like a duck, but the oracle text says creature - Bunny , then by god, it's a bunny."
MadCow21: "Who are you and what have you done with the real Chaikov?"

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Jul 11, 2011 -- 3:53PM, BVKnight wrote:
I'll just tack this on here, since it fits so well with the thread topic...

If I donate a Platinum Angel to my opponent using Zedruu the Greathearted ...
......and we are the last two players in the game.....
....and he kills me.....
....while he is below 0 life....
....who wins?

He does. For the control effect to end and him to lose control of Platinum Angel you have to die. Since you're dead, he has won. That a nanosecond later the Angel would disappear and he would die doesn't matter.

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beyurslf

Date Joined: Oct 18, 2009

Posts: 324

Jul 11, 2011 -- 3:58PM, 2goth4U wrote:
So what about the real Donate ? What happens with a card donate d to someone?

the control effect ends and it returns to whoever would otherwise control it
I play a Illusions of Grandeur deck with Donate . I have played it a few times with more than one opponent and have had the opponent who controlled it leave the game (not by the Illusion enchantment). Would I get it back in that case since it entered the battlefield under my control and and tranferred to someone else who then lost?

yes (assuming you would otherwise control it)

Is it correct that if he died to the effect of the Illusions of Grandeur leaving the battlefield, then it would not return to my control?

Thanks for the answer. I think it has only come up once or twice that way, but none of us even thought about it. We just exiled it.

Argus_Panoptes

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Date Joined: Sep 17, 2004

Posts: 5,192

Jul 11, 2011 -- 4:10PM, beyurslf wrote:
Is it correct that if he died to the effect of the Illusions of Grandeur leaving the battlefield, then it would not return to my control?

If it has left the battlefield, why would it return to the battlefield?

No, I am not a judge. That's why I like to quote sources such as the rules that trump judges.

beyurslf

Date Joined: Oct 18, 2009

Posts: 324

Jul 11, 2011 -- 4:12PM, Argus_Panoptes wrote:
Jul 11, 2011 -- 4:10PM, beyurslf wrote:
Is it correct that if he died to the effect of the Illusions of Grandeur leaving the battlefield, then it would not return to my control?

If it has left the battlefield, why would it return to the battlefield?

Didn't think it would, was just making sure. Prior to seeing this post about a totally unrelated card, I had never thought about it before.

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