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2 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2011 - 8:32AM
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I have a question about Sundial of the Infinite. If an opponent has a Fetchland or a Wasteland, if they crack and sacrifice it if I Sundial in response do they still get to fetch a land or wasteland one of my lands?
Thank you in advance.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2011 - 8:37AM
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I have a question about Sundial of the Infinite. If an opponent has a Fetchland or a Wasteland, if they crack and sacrifice it if I Sundial in response do they still get to fetch a land or wasteland one of my lands?
Thank you in advance.
[c]Sundial of the Infinite[/c] -> Sundial of the Infinite 
No, when would they get to do that?
Of course, once they see Sundial of the Infinite under your control, they are more likely to do such things on their turn rather than yours.
No, I am not a judge. That's why I like to quote sources such as the rules that trump judges.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2011 - 8:39AM
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I have a question about Sundial of the Infinite. If an opponent has a Fetchland or a Wasteland, if they crack and sacrifice it if I Sundial in response do they still get to fetch a land or wasteland one of my lands?
Thank you in advance.
[c]Sundial of the Infinite[/c] -> Sundial of the Infinite
No, when would they get to do that?
Of course, once they see Sundial of the Infinite under your control, they are more likely to do such things on their turn rather than yours.
Sorry I don't understand your answer. If they do this during my turn, then yes it would essentially "stifle" it. If they do it on their turn then obv. I can't do it right?
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2 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2011 - 8:50AM
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The fetchlands (and others) have activated abilities, that are not mana abilities. Therefore they use the stack and can be responded to. Such a response can be the activation of your sundial (if it is your turn). Since that goes on top of the stack it will resolve first, ending the turn and exiling all spells and abilities on the stack. The land's ability will never resolve and they cannot fetch a land.
A smart player will not use such abilities during your turn if you have an untapped sundial on the battlefield.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2011 - 9:16AM
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I have a question about Sundial of the Infinite. If an opponent has a Fetchland or a Wasteland, if they crack and sacrifice it if I Sundial in response do they still get to fetch a land or wasteland one of my lands?
Thank you in advance.
[c]Sundial of the Infinite[/c] -> Sundial of the Infinite
No, when would they get to do that?
Of course, once they see Sundial of the Infinite under your control, they are more likely to do such things on their turn rather than yours.
Sorry I don't understand your answer. If they do this during my turn, then yes it would essentially "stifle" it. If they do it on their turn then obv. I can't do it right?
Yep. Since you can only end your own turn, they would do all this on their turn.
[c]Forest[/c] gives you Forest 
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2 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2011 - 8:27PM
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I have a question about Sundial of the Infinite. If an opponent has a Fetchland or a Wasteland, if they crack and sacrifice it if I Sundial in response do they still get to fetch a land or wasteland one of my lands?
Thank you in advance.
[c]Sundial of the Infinite[/c] -> Sundial of the Infinite
No, when would they get to do that?
Of course, once they see Sundial of the Infinite under your control, they are more likely to do such things on their turn rather than yours.
Sorry I don't understand your answer. If they do this during my turn, then yes it would essentially "stifle" it. If they do it on their turn then obv. I can't do it right?
Yep. Since you can only end your own turn, they would do all this on their turn.
I also have a question regarding Sundial.
Supposing I have a Venser, the Sojourner and Sundial of the Infinite on the field.
I summon Glimmerpoint Stag, and use his ability to remove permanent X.
I use Venser's +2 to exile my Stag.
At the end of the turn, two things want to happen: The return of the exiled Glimmerpoint Stag and the return of the exiled permanent X.
My question is, can I choose to allow the return of the Glimmerpoint Stag (thus exiling permanent Y) to resolve, and then use the Sundial to stop permanent X from returning? Or do both automatically end up on the stack at the same time, forcing me to exile all of it and not allow the Stag to return?
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2 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2011 - 8:30PM
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You control both triggered abilities, so you choose the order they go on the stack in. You can do what you said. Put Glimmerpoint Stag's triggered ability first (the one that returns permanent X) and Venser's then (the one that return the Stag). Let the first one resolve, then before the second one does, you can respond just like with any other ability. If you use the Sundial at that moment, the Stag will be on the battlefield and permanent X will never return.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2011 - 8:32PM
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You can wait for one trigger to resolve, then activate the sundial (putting it's ability on top of the stack).
So you can have one trigger resolve, and stop the other iwth the sundial.
… and then, the squirrels came.
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2 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2011 - 8:47PM
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You control both triggered abilities, so you choose the order they go on the stack in. You can do what you said. Put Glimmerpoint Stag's triggered ability first (the one that returns permanent X) and Venser's then (the one that return the Stag). Let the first one resolve, then before the second one does, you can respond just like with any other ability. If you use the Sundial at that moment, the Stag will be on the battlefield and permanent X will never return.
Interesting...but that leads me to another question.
I have a Mimic Vat imprinted with Glimmerpoint Stag and a Sundial on the field.
I use Vat to make a Stag token and exile permanent X.
At the end of the turn, again, we have two things that want to happen: the return of permanent X and the Stag token getting exiled.
Would it be possible to get both of these effects on the stack and exile them both with Sundial at the end of the turn?
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2 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2011 - 8:51PM
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Interesting...but that leads me to another question.
I have a Mimic Vat imprinted with Glimmerpoint Stag and a Sundial on the field.
I use Vat to make a Stag token and exile permanent X.
At the end of the turn, again, we have two things that want to happen: the return of permanent X and the Stag token getting exiled.
Would it be possible to get both of these effects on the stack and exile them both with Sundial at the end of the turn?
Sure, why not? Just activate the ability while both triggers are on the stack.
No, I am not a judge. That's why I like to quote sources such as the rules that trump judges.
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