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2 years ago  ::  Jul 06, 2011 - 6:02PM #1
Garmichael
Date Joined: Jun 24, 2008
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This thread is for discussion of this week's From the Lab article, which goes live Thursday morning on magicthegathering.com.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2011 - 6:26AM #2
aka_pg
Date Joined: Jul 7, 2011
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Good gravy - that "Opening Ceremonies Deck" is all rares - the opposite of Building on a Budget.
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2 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2011 - 7:15AM #3
metalevolence
Date Joined: Oct 10, 2009
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RE: Your commander deck:

-not enough lands
-too much fat
-not enough countermagic
-not enough card draw/selection

If you want to win more, these things will help
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2 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2011 - 9:58AM #4
NEStomato
Date Joined: Jul 3, 2010
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Jul 7, 2011 -- 7:15AM, metalevolence wrote:

RE: Your commander deck:

-not enough lands
-too much fat
-not enough countermagic
-not enough card draw/selection

If you want to win more, these things will help




No such thing as "too much fat" and "too little countermagic".  Those things are helpful, but not necessary, as seen by the fact that non-Blue decks win just fine in EDH, and that big fat is one of the main defining traits of the format.  Countermagic is just Blue's form of removal, and he's got plenty of good White/Red removal.

He actually doesn't need too many extra lands, either, since he has 7 sources of mana accel/fixing.  And it's not like he's going to need anythign important to happen in the first few turns anyway, unless he's playing in a ridiculously competetive meta.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2011 - 10:18AM #5
metalevolence
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Jul 7, 2011 -- 9:58AM, NEStomato wrote:

Jul 7, 2011 -- 7:15AM, metalevolence wrote:

RE: Your commander deck:

-not enough lands
-too much fat
-not enough countermagic
-not enough card draw/selection

If you want to win more, these things will help




No such thing as "too much fat" and "too little countermagic".  Those things are helpful, but not necessary, as seen by the fact that non-Blue decks win just fine in EDH, and that big fat is one of the main defining traits of the format.  Countermagic is just Blue's form of removal, and he's got plenty of good White/Red removal.

He actually doesn't need too many extra lands, either, since he has 7 sources of mana accel/fixing.  And it's not like he's going to need anythign important to happen in the first few turns anyway, unless he's playing in a ridiculously competetive meta.



I said exactly what I meant to say and I stand by it. If he wants to win more games, those changes will facilitate that.
Also, countermagic is a lot more than removal.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2011 - 10:24AM #6
NEStomato
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And I stand by mine, most of the things you suggested aren't really necessary.  It's more important to have a focused goal and win condition then it is to "have countermagic" and "have less fat".

The format is about fun.  As long as the deck isn't all Eager Cadet s and has a good balance of removal and swingy effects, it will do fine in most metas.
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2 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2011 - 10:32AM #7
metalevolence
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Jul 7, 2011 -- 10:24AM, NEStomato wrote:

And I stand by mine, most of the things you suggested aren't really necessary.  It's more important to have a focused goal and win condition then it is to "have countermagic" and "have less fat".

The format is about fun.  As long as the deck isn't all Eager Cadet s and has a good balance of removal and swingy effects, it will do fine in most metas.



I did not say it was "necessary" to make those changes to ever win a game. I said he would win more often if he made them.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2011 - 12:04PM #8
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Jul 7, 2011 -- 6:26AM, aka_pg wrote:

Good gravy - that "Opening Ceremonies Deck" is all rares - the opposite of Building on a Budget.


Fortunately, this is From the Lab.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2011 - 1:43PM #9
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leyline of punishment seems like an odd inclusion considering it messes with the leyline of vitality and chancellor of the dross .  also, with the lack of direct damage spells, the 'damage cannot be prevented' clause would only come back to bite you, unless you are expecting to run up against a lot of cards like fog

i wonder if it would be better to ditch leyline of vitality and chancellor of the dross for 1 bloom tender , 2 leyline of the void , and a progenitus
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2 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2011 - 6:22PM #10
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Jul 7, 2011 -- 12:04PM, orcishartillery wrote:

Jul 7, 2011 -- 6:26AM, aka_pg wrote:

Good gravy - that "Opening Ceremonies Deck" is all rares - the opposite of Building on a Budget.


Fortunately, this is From the Lab.


And besides, there are many rares that are less expensive than uncommons and even commons. This means nothing.

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Jan 14, 2012 -- 5:42PM, Vektor480 wrote:

I like storm crow because I really like crows in real life, as an animal, and the card isn't terribly stupid, but packs a good deal of nostalgia and also a chunck of the game's history. So it's perhaps one of the cards I have most affection to, but not because "lol storm crow is bad hurr hurr durr".


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Mar 17, 2011 -- 10:28PM, Qmark wrote:

Mar 17, 2011 -- 10:15PM, ROBRAM89 wrote:

Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.

Now, now.
1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".


Oct 11, 2011 -- 9:43PM, Tevish_Szat wrote:

Oh, it's a brilliant plan.  You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat.  Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit.  He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee.  "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk.  He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy.  He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right.  Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms.
"THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!"

And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.


Feb 25, 2012 -- 2:54PM, Mown wrote:

Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.


Jul 11, 2011 -- 10:47PM, Qmark wrote:

Jul 11, 2011 -- 10:36PM, SleetFox wrote:

This thread has gotten creepy.  XP

Really?
Really?

The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?


Jun 26, 2011 -- 5:52AM, MrQuizzles wrote:

Jun 26, 2011 -- 4:59AM, Mown wrote:

Jun 26, 2011 -- 4:44AM, skeindubh wrote:


4 tropical island
4 savannah
4 bayou
4 taiga
4 savannah


Nice mana base.
Not really.



Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.


May 2, 2011 -- 8:18AM, desolation_masticore wrote:

I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.


Apr 3, 2011 -- 1:39AM, DrWorm wrote:

Apr 3, 2011 -- 12:02AM, crazysamaritan wrote:

Of course, the best use [of tolaria west ] is transmuting for the real Tolaria.



Absolutely.  I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria , and I was finally able win my first game.


Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:17PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

WOAH

wait wait wait

Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

"I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jon infiltrated



OH MY GOD


Nov 22, 2011 -- 3:52PM, Pontiac wrote:

The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.


Oct 10, 2011 -- 8:55PM, Glasir wrote:

The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.


Jan 21, 2011 -- 7:11AM, Qmark wrote:


Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available.
"No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.


Jul 10, 2012 -- 11:28AM, Dragon_Nut wrote:

Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.



Aug 3, 2011 -- 6:46PM, ChaosLight wrote:

You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.


Oct 10, 2011 -- 7:30PM, Vektor480 wrote:

Oct 10, 2011 -- 5:53PM, Rubik wrote:

You just... Vektor it.


That's the answer to everything.


Jan 17, 2011 -- 6:16PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

Jan 17, 2011 -- 5:58PM, Ragnarokio wrote:


I think the problem is that you don't exist.


This would sound great out of context!


Dec 19, 2011 -- 9:07PM, Dilleux_Lepaire wrote:

Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.


Aug 4, 2011 -- 2:15PM, Mown wrote:

Aug 4, 2011 -- 1:45PM, Suudsu2200 wrote:


I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.


You make it sound like that's still not the case.


Jan 4, 2011 -- 3:04AM, Niklor wrote:

Rap is what happens when the c from crap is taken away.


Doug Beyer:

But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?


Mar 20, 2012 -- 1:32PM, Terti wrote:

Flashforward five thousand years (Click for atmosphere) :


Aug 15, 2011 -- 8:06PM, Veslfen wrote:

to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.


Aug 1, 2011 -- 12:35AM, Ragnarokio wrote:

when in rome RAPE AND PILLAGE


Jan 31, 2012 -- 11:23AM, TchainT wrote:

I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.


Dymecoar:

Playing Magic without Blue is like sleeping without any sheets or blankets.  You can do it...but why?


Omega137:

Me: "I love the moment when a control deck stabilizes. It feels so... right."
Omega137: "I like the life drop part until you get there, it's the MtG variant of bungee jumping"


Zigeif777:

Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.


Apr 1, 2011 -- 10:29AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

Apr 1, 2011 -- 10:09AM, quadibloc wrote:

It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf , Darksteel Colossus , or Platinum Angel . It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus , Mox Sapphire , and Time Walk .


Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.


Sep 26, 2010 -- 5:11PM, Test-Subject_217601 wrote:

Sep 26, 2010 -- 5:06PM, NeoMint wrote:

I didn't know Samurai were known to be able to cut down whole armies...


They can when they're using lightsabers !


Sep 19, 2011 -- 11:59AM, Sebanovich wrote:

Sep 19, 2011 -- 11:54AM, Long_Con wrote:

My wife brought home a baby black squirrel they found on a horse track and cared for it for a few days.  We named it Grixis, but it died. 


Unearth it!


Jan 15, 2011 -- 8:07PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

I'm a Da Vinci Neurok.





And I'm on Magic Arcana. How about you?
Oh, by the way, I'm also on From the Lab now.
Twice, actually. And now with my own submited decklist!
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