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2 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2011 - 5:37PM #1
Fallingman
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Ran this one past the wording clinic, now it's time for critiques.

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Pyrecrow
Creature - Phoenix (Mythic)
Convoke (Each creature you tap while casting this spell reduces its cost by or by one mana of that creature’s color.)
Flying, haste
If you spend no mana to cast it, you may cast Pyrecrow from your graveyard.
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And that last line still bugs me.  "As long as you spend no mana"?  "You can't spend mana to cast it?"  Hmm....
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2 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2011 - 5:46PM #2
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I like the concept, but the power level feels a bit low to me, and I don't think many games would see the resurrection ability be relevant.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2011 - 6:10PM #3
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Name feels a little inglorious for a phoenix.

Also, "You may cast Pyrecrow from your graveyard. You can't spend mana to cast it this way."
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Apr 19, 2012 -- 5:36AM, prospector wrote:

Think of how Neo couldn't beat the robots, but they kept him around anyways to defeat Agent Smith. Sure, the robots might not like having a Neo running rampant because instead of playing their favorite 4 drop fatty robot, they have to play a bunch of one mana Matrixs to contain him, but at least Neo keeps Agent Smith from reanimating an Iona on turn two.

Jun 26, 2012 -- 3:07PM, GM_Champion wrote:

Are you saying I'm trying to blame my loss on something? I don't care that I lost, I care that he's a sore loser, and a cheater, and a liar.

Oct 5, 2012 -- 1:36PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

CKY, are you bad at anything?

Oct 25, 2012 -- 9:53PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

I really enjoy imagining this from Kevin's perspective. Because in Kevin's world, Rosewater actually reads everything he types. Mark is sitting there right now, reading this, and thinking "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled. . ." Or some such. He chuckles low, then clicks on "The Best Of KEVINSET" and says "Yes, this'll do just fine. A busty lady with banding who deals direct damage to Zones!? Why this will be the star of my next set, and no one will ever believe you Kevin." Then he closes his Macbook, so his servant may move it out of the way, while another servant puts a Fetal Richard Garfield Clone lathered in Steak Sauce in front of him. Then Mark Feasts.

I mean, In KevinWorld, Mark is reading the very words I'm typing as well. Heck, in KevinWorld maybe I am Mark.

Nov 9, 2012 -- 2:27PM, Exxile72 wrote:

I'm beginning to think CKY may be anime in real life...

Feb 11, 2013 -- 7:38AM, Jessica_Morgan wrote:

Don't go anywhere CKY, I need to crash dramatically through your window and propose marriage and I don't want you throwing off my paradrop.

Mar 15, 2013 -- 7:56AM, Knifethrower wrote:

[In response to a thread about how hard grading is]

Upon reading this, I've found myself completely unable to operate in the world.  I tried to decide what to eat for breakfast, and pondered the vast consequences of my choice.  How do I balance my dietary needs against my desire to eat good-tasting food? Should I factor in how long it takes to prepare?  Cereal is ready in moments, but bacon takes longer to cook.

Then there is the impact on other industries.  Do people in the cereal industry deserve to be employed more than people in the bacon industry?  Which industry should I support? I don't even have the data regarding HOW MUCH the cereal industry benefits from me eating a bowl of cereal, or how much the bacon industry benefits from me eating a side of bacon.  How can I compare two qualities I can't even quantify?

And let's not forget the milk on the cereal.  In addition to determining whether or not milk is healthy for me, how much that benefits the milk industry, and how much the people in the milk industry deserve my support, we have to factor in the fact that cows are put under brutal conditions in order to collect thier milk.  Of course, the same goes for the pigs, and then they get killed.  Of course, I really like bacon.  So I need to come up with a scale that compares the value of cow happiness to pig happiness to my happiness.  What trade-offs am I willing to make here?  Does the fact that the pig gets put out of its misery count as a plus or a minus?  Isn't bacon bad for me anyway?

Deciding what to eat for breakfast (or any meal) is impossible.  Help me!

Apr 11, 2013 -- 6:15AM, altimis wrote:

I must admit chinkeeyong, you have the most interesting character ideas; and you play them well.

Apr 12, 2013 -- 7:13PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

Anyway, you'd be surprised about Time Stop. When I first saw that card as a relatively new player I didn't see its full potential until I read the reminder text. Is it that unintuitive, though? Mine I mean. What is possibility? Is it possible for me to type these words with my tusks? No, because I don't have tusks. Although I am now tempted to go buy some - obviously not from poachers or whatever - and use them as typing apparatus. I could be the best secretary ever. "What's your words per minute sir?" "Well, only six, but I use these tusks to type them." "You're hired!" That was the interview. And is anyone else disappointed that "apparati" is not the plural form of apparatus? I just could strangle a dictionary, because "apparatuses" is a real word. I guess it sounds pretty cool. I'll call them my Apparatusks.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2011 - 7:06PM #4
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A red deck packing 5 creatures each turn doesn't feel like a very great color focus enabler at mythic rarity.
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2 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2011 - 7:30PM #5
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Jul 5, 2011 -- 7:06PM, Ronin-Yojimbo wrote:

A red deck packing 5 creatures each turn doesn't feel like a very great color focus enabler at mythic rarity.




Not sure I'm catching your point. Just that tapping five creatures doesn't seem worth it for Red?

(I always feel like I'm missing an important element of Mythics.  Color focus enabler?)

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2011 - 7:39PM #6
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Jul 5, 2011 -- 7:30PM, Fallingman wrote:

Jul 5, 2011 -- 7:06PM, Ronin-Yojimbo wrote:

A red deck packing 5 creatures each turn doesn't feel like a very great color focus enabler at mythic rarity.




Not sure I'm catching your point. Just that tapping five creatures doesn't seem worth it for Red?

(I always feel like I'm missing an important element of Mythics.  Color focus enabler?)



Perhaps I should have said color focused enabler.  Put the whole card aside and imagine if I came to you and said I have a creature you can cast for free from your graveyard if you can tap 5 creatures but two of them have to be red.  Does that feel very mythic in power?  How about in flavor?

It's entirely possible to have 5 critters out in a red deck, but how lowly must those creatures be for me to decide it's worth passing turn of attacking with them to play a 3/3 flier with haste?

You have a slightly smaller Volcanic Dragon with a wonky alternate cost, doesn't feel very mythic in p/t to mana ratio, flavor, or game impact.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2011 - 7:48PM #7
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I like it.

 
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2 years ago  ::  Jul 06, 2011 - 10:36PM #8
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Jul 5, 2011 -- 7:39PM, Ronin-Yojimbo wrote:

Jul 5, 2011 -- 7:30PM, Fallingman wrote:

Jul 5, 2011 -- 7:06PM, Ronin-Yojimbo wrote:

A red deck packing 5 creatures each turn doesn't feel like a very great color focus enabler at mythic rarity.




Not sure I'm catching your point. Just that tapping five creatures doesn't seem worth it for Red?

(I always feel like I'm missing an important element of Mythics.  Color focus enabler?)



Perhaps I should have said color focused enabler.  Put the whole card aside and imagine if I came to you and said I have a creature you can cast for free from your graveyard if you can tap 5 creatures but two of them have to be red.  Does that feel very mythic in power?  How about in flavor?

It's entirely possible to have 5 critters out in a red deck, but how lowly must those creatures be for me to decide it's worth passing turn of attacking with them to play a 3/3 flier with haste?

You have a slightly smaller Volcanic Dragon with a wonky alternate cost, doesn't feel very mythic in p/t to mana ratio, flavor, or game impact.


Did you miss the fact that it comes down 3rd turn or sooner in most red decks and flies over wall of omens ? The reanimation is mere bonus rather than the focus.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 06, 2011 - 10:37PM #9
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Jul 5, 2011 -- 6:10PM, chinkeeyong wrote:

Name feels a little inglorious for a phoenix.

Also, "You may cast Pyrecrow from your graveyard. You can't spend mana to cast it this way."


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But i'm with razor about the mechanic.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2011 - 5:25AM #10
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Jul 6, 2011 -- 10:36PM, theatog wrote:

Jul 5, 2011 -- 7:39PM, Ronin-Yojimbo wrote:

Jul 5, 2011 -- 7:30PM, Fallingman wrote:

Jul 5, 2011 -- 7:06PM, Ronin-Yojimbo wrote:

A red deck packing 5 creatures each turn doesn't feel like a very great color focus enabler at mythic rarity.




Not sure I'm catching your point. Just that tapping five creatures doesn't seem worth it for Red?

(I always feel like I'm missing an important element of Mythics.  Color focus enabler?)



Perhaps I should have said color focused enabler.  Put the whole card aside and imagine if I came to you and said I have a creature you can cast for free from your graveyard if you can tap 5 creatures but two of them have to be red.  Does that feel very mythic in power?  How about in flavor?

It's entirely possible to have 5 critters out in a red deck, but how lowly must those creatures be for me to decide it's worth passing turn of attacking with them to play a 3/3 flier with haste?

You have a slightly smaller Volcanic Dragon with a wonky alternate cost, doesn't feel very mythic in p/t to mana ratio, flavor, or game impact.


Did you miss the fact that it comes down 3rd turn or sooner in most red decks and flies over wall of omens ? The reanimation is mere bonus rather than the focus.



In some red decks.  A 3/3 flier on turn 3 is great, but, to me, it doesn't feel mythic.  Regardless my opinions are just that, opinions.  Also, don't confuse what I'm saying with that I think it's a bad card, because I don't. 

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