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13 months ago  ::  Jul 03, 2012 - 12:29AM #21
Hi_im_moxnix
Date Joined: Jul 3, 2012
Posts: 2
Hey its moxnix all thsoe changes are awesome thanks for your insights on my build yours looks great
here are the cards i have in question
Sphyinx of magosi-  Infinte draw outlet is nice but if were infinite any tutor will do this takes 9 mana to even replace the card and with as fast as this deck wins it doesnt really swing i guess it blcoks and get pitched to survival but im not sure.  i saw your post about the fast win with him but he seems out of place in your very tight list
Exsanguinate - not bad as a abck up win con for when alot fo things get rfg but its not very good for anythign else and like i posted on ym thread infite capsize will work and pretty much if you have infite mana and reach you win this could free up a slot for more business
Blue Suns Zenith - same thing as the other 2 as far as using it as another ifnite outlet i know having more outs for tooth and nail at 9 is good but its subpar out of the three i like this one the msot beacuase its not horrible outside of the combo and its instant speed x draw so this one can stay if you axe the other two i see no problem with that
Last is leyline of anticipation -  With how fast this deck goes off i found this to be increadbly good in opening hand and i hated seeing it any other time.  It's Great with seedborn muse its great in opening hadn but other than that this deck wins to fast to drop the 4 mana into this card.  Its nice to be abel to save a counter then cast at the end of someones turn but without muse the tempo loss of playing the card turned me off.  I would nto play a gemstone mine so i dont play this

Other than that the list looks increadibly tight and solid thanks for helping me improve my version as well, hopefully my suggestions on cuts give you 2-3 more slots for new nasty additions.

Edit SPhinx and exsanguinate dont pass what im goign to call the diabolic tutor test.  Diabolic tutor is not good enough to run becuase its 4 mana and thats jsut to mcuh for a non instant speed card that does noting but tutor, however in any case exsanguinate or sphinx gives a win with infite mana or tooth and nail diabolic tutor can do the same thing only its useful early in the game despite this its not good enough to run yet better than both these cards thus they should be cut!

Double edit : i think blue suns for you is my replication and that 2 win cons is good enough beucase capsize can be rfg and they both can be useful before combo

Triple Edit i found a card to replace exsanguinate or magosi for you Mystical Teachings. At first glace the cards seems subpar but lets dig a little deeper.  It is instant speed and cost 3U and tutors for instants or cards with Flash which is really nice in this build.  It hits your win cons in capsize and Blue suns wich we now know both of which can draw your entire deck in the combo.  So in any situtation exsanguinate or magosi gave you a win this would too since it hits your win cons.  Not only that but you can pass hold it and pop it when you dont need your counter which is awesome hitting pact and force make it pretty much a counter spell if needed.  Since it hits vamp or mystical it tutors your win con for 5 and get this since it has flashback you have reach already and only need 9 for your win even without any other reach AWESOME!  Know what else is awesome about flashback? your new intuition when you use it politcally to counter a spell you now get to drop this into your yard for free and advance toawrds your win con while stopping a threat it hits like 20 cards in your decks its blue its amzing add it now my friend
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13 months ago  ::  Jul 03, 2012 - 10:58PM #22
daedhaed
Date Joined: May 24, 2009
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I agree with most of this post. The only thing is that I hate when players ask me to play out my combo with capsize cause then i have to wait untill I actually deal lethal damage to everyone whereas with Exsanguinate the game ends immediately.

As for Sphinx of Magosi, it was another way to draw infinitely with Tooth and with a Seedborn online it was insane. As of late I haven't been impressed and have been looking to add Teachings for some time now. It's close to being as good in this list as Fact or Fiction.

Blue sun is good CA especially with seedborn however may become Stroke of Genius

Leyline is so good in opener that I cant afford not to run it. It has single-handedly won me games due to that awesomeness. And I have also been known to tutor for and hard cast it if I have Seedborn.


Edit: May be cutting Blue sun for Time Spiral actually. How do you feel about that card?
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12 months ago  ::  Jul 04, 2012 - 8:50AM #23
Hi_im_moxnix
Date Joined: Jul 3, 2012
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Like everyone in my meta plays counters and free counters so time spiral is meh normally ends in me getting somewthing force of willed but in general i like it. i understand they play it out thing in general when i cast tooth and nail they ask if  i have reach and i ask if anyone has a response before im done if not we scoop and go to next game.  I do like stroke over Blue suns and honestly id cut the exsanguinate and magosi and swap BS for Stroke Either Exsang or magosi has to be Teachings id say since you like having the abilty to kill (make them scoop) everyone with exsanguinate swap out magosi for Teachings for now. Time spiral is very meta dependant ive seen the card do very dirty things but there is a reason no oen in my meta uses memory jar and cards like spiral  we all play force of will pact some play commnadeer disrupting shoal foil etc.  If your winrate is like mine heres whats gonna happend they are gonna all start playing alot fo counter magic the games will last 2-3 turns longer form 5-7 avg to 7-10 turns now.  I dont know if your play group is like this but i feel the damia deck warped our meta into beocming more and more blue.  K i got off topic there at the end but in short Teachings must go in, i can conceed to you on exsanguinate for reasons stated.  since you like the time spiral and it might be worth testing ( i have never actauly tested this card so id love for you to test it but not for my meta )
you should try
- exsanguinate
-magosi
-BSZ
+Teachings
+Spiral
+Stroke

If you want exsang back in the deck after testing fine but try these changes next time and get back to me on spiral if it was fine in your meta i may be baised playing aginst 12-16 counters in 3 out of the 6 other decks i face consistantly and those are the 3 i face ALOT so i dunno
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12 months ago  ::  Jul 04, 2012 - 1:19PM #24
daedhaed
Date Joined: May 24, 2009
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My meta is less counter and more combo so I might be able to get away with Time Spiral. As for the suggestions, I will make them as soon as i find those cards.
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12 months ago  ::  Jul 04, 2012 - 5:09PM #25
niheloim
Date Joined: Feb 3, 2008
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Timespiral is awesome. And stroke is probably better than blue sun for easier casting. I may have to look at my deck again... I always forget about teachings.
When playing Commander, before you add a card to your deck, you have to ask yourself:
"Is this card better than Rings ?"
If you play commander and don't have your deck[s] in the Decklist Compendium, maybe you should. Or if you're new or looking into the format, the compendium has some good advice for beginners as well as decklists.

3DH4LIF3

We should all have one of these playable from our sideboards
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12 months ago  ::  Jul 05, 2012 - 10:56AM #26
daedhaed
Date Joined: May 24, 2009
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How do you feel about changing Thran Dynamo to Mana Vault and Gilded Lotus to Simic Signet ?
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12 months ago  ::  Jul 05, 2012 - 11:13AM #27
niheloim
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Jul 5, 2012 -- 10:56AM, daedhaed wrote:

How do you feel about changing Thran Dynamo to Mana Vault and Gilded Lotus to Simic Signet ?


... I think those are ok changes. I prefer Dynamo over Vault, and Lotus over signet (though I would probably find room for the signet along with the other two), only because I favor a slower game. If you're looking for quicker games the cheaper ramp seems good.

When playing Commander, before you add a card to your deck, you have to ask yourself:
"Is this card better than Rings ?"
If you play commander and don't have your deck[s] in the Decklist Compendium, maybe you should. Or if you're new or looking into the format, the compendium has some good advice for beginners as well as decklists.

3DH4LIF3

We should all have one of these playable from our sideboards
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12 months ago  ::  Jul 05, 2012 - 11:15AM #28
daedhaed
Date Joined: May 24, 2009
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How about Exploration intead of the signet? And yes this 1 deck out of my 5 is all about the faster games. The rest are a little slower.
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12 months ago  ::  Jul 05, 2012 - 11:19AM #29
niheloim
Date Joined: Feb 3, 2008
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Jul 5, 2012 -- 11:15AM, daedhaed wrote:

How about Exploration intead of the signet? And yes this 1 deck out of my 5 is all about the faster games. The rest are a little slower.



That seems like a slower strategy to me. Unless you have a bonkers opening draw I think it would require a lot of drawing lands and tutoring up lands to make it worthwhile. I say try it though.

When playing Commander, before you add a card to your deck, you have to ask yourself:
"Is this card better than Rings ?"
If you play commander and don't have your deck[s] in the Decklist Compendium, maybe you should. Or if you're new or looking into the format, the compendium has some good advice for beginners as well as decklists.

3DH4LIF3

We should all have one of these playable from our sideboards
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12 months ago  ::  Jul 05, 2012 - 12:10PM #30
daedhaed
Date Joined: May 24, 2009
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How about instead of adding Time Spiral and Stroke of Genius I just add Mana Vault and Exploration. Cause I typically get lost of land in hand with this deck once it gets online.
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