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2 years ago ::
Jun 16, 2011 - 4:29PM
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his thread is for discussion of this week's Making Magic, which goes live Monday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2011 - 9:20PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 16, 2008
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add uril the myststalker to the banned commander card list bc we cant target it, and only WoG type effect kill it, yeah we can block it bot with the right auras and equips its immpossible to deal with it
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2 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2011 - 9:25PM
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There's plenty of ways to deal with uril.
On a nitpicky note: The rules fools unbanned worldgorger, which just goes to show you guys wrote these articles probably a few weeks ago or more.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2011 - 9:26PM
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Guess he didn't catch the news about Worldgorger Dragon being restored to the format.
I wonder myself about why hybrid cards can be interdicted by color identity. The format existed before Ravnica, after all, so it might just be an artefact of keeping out gold-style multicolor (and/or trying to keep color bleed under control).
Never mind that Balthor the Defiled really ought to be regarded as black-red color identity, not merely black...
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2 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2011 - 9:28PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 11, 2007
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I agree with MaRo about the colour identity issue, but I never found anything confusing about general damage. I think getting rid of it would probably not change much, but it seems reasonable enough to me.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2011 - 9:41PM
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It helps to remember that Commander was first called Elder Dragon Highlander because in its infancy, those were the only generals meant to be used--the five Elder Dragons. Putting aside Vaevictis Asmadi's firebreathing, 21 damage = 3 full hits from an elder dragon. I guess the idea was meant to be similar to the system shock rule in AD&D 2nd edition (no matter how many HP you might still have on the positive side, taking 50 HP or more from a single attack forced you to save vs. death, or die from sheer bodily trauma).
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2 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2011 - 9:46PM
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Date Joined:
Aug 20, 2008
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Incidentally, there's a story about a grandmaster - the writer of a famous book on endgames - once forgetting a little known Chess rule.
In Castling, the King is not allowed to cross a square, when it moves two squares, on which it would have been in check. But no similar restriction applies to the Rook.
One way to understand the rationale for this rule (and thus make it easier to remember) is that if the King did make the move which it forbids, the result would be that it would be in check, from the threat of an en passant capture.
Both the Pawn and the King get to move two squares instead of one on their first move, but the "mechanical loose end" is tied up in both cases - neither one can use that first move to sneak past a threat of capture it would not otherwise have been able to move through.
Coming up with weird ideas to make everyone happy since 2008!  I have now started a blog as an appropriate place to put my crazy ideas.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2011 - 10:49PM
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I get where MaRo is coming from on the color identity issue. If whatever body governs Commander did want to relax the rules on hybrids, however, there would still be a few problems with MaRo's proposed fix. There are plenty of ways to use cards without actually casting them, most obviously. A Seton, Krosan Protector  deck could slide Archdemon of Unx  into play with Elvish Piper  , a move against the spirit (and current letter) of the Commander rules. Further, some cards can be cast without the use of mana. A deck built around Ambassador Laquatus  could play a Mogg Salvage  off a Tideshaper Mystic  . A better way to allow for hybrids while keeping the intent of color identity restrictions largely intact: -Determination of color identity remains the same -Decks may not include cards with a color identity (i.e. non-colorless) that does not include a color found in the commander's color identity. So Isamaru, Hound of Konda  white weenie decks can play Stillmoon Cavalier  , but not Snuff Out  or Cranial Plating  . Whether or not these hybrid applications should be accomodated is another matter, but if the answer to that question is yes, this is a better way to do it.
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2 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2011 - 10:53PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 27, 2009
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I agree with MaRo about the colour identity issue
I also agree with everything he said about the color identity. I hope that whoever is in charge of the Commander rules makes changes according to MaRo's suggestions...
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2 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2011 - 10:54PM
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Date Joined:
May 18, 2002
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I fully agree with MaRo on how silly EDH's rampantly idealistic redundancies really are.
That's just sad.
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