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Switch to Forum Live View 06/06/2011 Feature: "Building Tariel"
2 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2011 - 1:15PM #41
Vaasgothbloodlord
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I don't have much to add, just agree that the art is great, but it loses something when reduced to card size.

I'd love to see all the original art when sets come out, but I realize there are probably reasons why that's not feasable for Wizards.
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2011 - 7:59PM #42
Raedien
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Are you all seriously forgetting or unaware of the oversized copies that come with these decks?
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 11, 2011 - 10:39PM #43
willpell
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(The inset quote is actually from me, not Keiyakins.)

Jun 6, 2011 -- 7:44PM, ProfN wrote:


Jun 6, 2011 -- 7:58AM, keiyakins wrote:

I doubt anyone got fired over a   goof that minor. Anyone can figure out Walking Atlas is an artifact; if   it had been printed with the wrong card  frame or with wrong rules  text,  THAT might have justified disciplinary  action, but a goof like  this is  not much worse than forgetting to type  the ^ over El-Hajjaj's  name  (they did something similar on some other  card but I forget which  one  it was so I'm going with the one I can  remember).  Heck, even  "rathi  Berserker" was a worse goof than this.




Well, then, what standards ARE there?  We're not talking about  the  Ernham Djinn where one of them every 500 sheets had a blue border or   some such.  Every single Walking Atlas ever printed was printed wrong!    IIRC WotC had to post an Arcana update just to explain the gaffe and   publicize the oracle errata.  That sort of mistake is embarrassing and   makes the company look incompetent.  The only thing I can think of that   would be *worse* than this would be if they screwed up the card *backs*   somehow, because that would destroy one of the fundamental  underpinnings  of the game from a gameplay perspective.




A goof worth firing someone over would be something akin to Alpha's   Elvish Archers as a 1/2 or Orcish Oriflamme costing - there   was NO way to tell those were errors.  Walking Atlas's artifact frame   creates an obvious hint something is amiss, as is true of the Serendib   Efreets in Revised which were printed on green card frames - they  still  had a blue mana symbol, so there was a tipoff that there was an  error  somewhere on the card.  Atlas is a bit more subtle than that, but  since  the most obvious part of the card (the frame) is correct and only  the  technical info (the typeline) is wrong, it's hard to instinctively  err  during play by assuming the Atlas will survive a Shatterstorm.  If  it  was printed on a green (nonartifact) cardframe but said it was an   artifact, the card would have been technically correct, but everyone   would have played it wrong.

Intuitive first impressions are a MUCH  bigger deal than well-concealed  facts.  So on the goof-up scale, Alpha Oriflamme rates a 4 because you  have no possible way to tell it's wrong, Revised Serendib is a 3 because  there's an obvious error concealing subtle correct info, and Walking  Atlas is only a 2 because there's a well-concealed error that will only  screw you up if you deliberately go looking for it.  (A 1 would be a  purely cosmetic error like leaving a diacritical mark out of a card's  name or having the wrong artist credit, something that never affects  gameplay in the slightest; errors which rated a 5 might include having  the wrong card back or being completely unreadable.)

Jun 10, 2011 -- 9:39AM, milo_bloom wrote:



Agreed, I have it as my  computer desktop wallpaper and it looks much better, though the body  position is still a little odd (her head looks like it was added as an  afterthought after the artist was done drawing her breasts).




I suspect you have hit the nail on the breasts.

Jun 7, 2011 -- 8:32PM, chronokilla wrote:

ProfN,  here I was thinking all angels are asexual, but looked it up after  reading your post and found that while they are considered asexual all  their names are masculine. I learned something today.




Keep in mind that there is at least one reference in the Bible to Angels  (the "sons of God") knocking up the "daughters of Adam".  This doesn't  necessarily prove that they had genitals - it could be a spiritual  immaculate conception kind of deal - but it does kind of shoot down the  "asexual" label as being accurate in anything but a strict anatomical  sense.

Again, not having much theological training, I may be missing  something, but isn't there some old religious thing about the weight of  one's soul determing your salvation status or something? Maybe it's not  as bad of a translation as you think.




I dunno if that was a factor in Judeochristian religion, but it  definitely was in the Egyptian tradition.  So yeah, it sounds like the  idea of the German translation was in the right place - but not being a  Deutschophone I can't judge whether it was actually handled correctly.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 12, 2011 - 4:35AM #44
TobyornotToby
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Jun 11, 2011 -- 10:39PM, willpell wrote:

Atlas is a bit more subtle than that, but since the most obvious part of the card (the frame) is correct and only the technical info (the typeline) is wrong, it's hard to instinctively err during play by assuming the Atlas will survive a Shatterstorm.




It did come just before a set rumored to have nonartifact colorless cards (and Eye of Ugin was another foreshadower) so that certainly left room for ambiguity =) 

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 13, 2011 - 2:50AM #45
Teletran1
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Quick question, the article states that "These five decks are available in Japanese, French, German, Spanish, and English".

But the art just below shows, top row German, middle row left to right, Spanish then French, botttom row left to right, Japanese and Italian.

So I assume that it's also available in Italian as well? 
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1 year ago  ::  Dec 19, 2011 - 5:14AM #46
Senyuno
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The other referenced card flavor is Soul Snare


Anyway, the art is kickass. My experience with Tarial is that she's good in Commander, and a boss in Kaalia.


Another topic is how many believe feminism is destroyed here. First off, well, you're probably right a little. The game is more appealing to its demographic if the art features an appealing image to the demographic. 'Nuff said. Fighting games and MMOs are much more guilty of this.

Now then, more reasons than that. We're talking about artists of cool stuff for a trading card game; the majority is gonna be male. So the female drawings are going to almost always be from the perspective of a guy. What's a guy to do?

Finally, what about the guys? We don't sort of shun sexy men per se. We still draw badasses, well-built, or cool guys. When you're talking about a game with human characters, the basis is visually appealing. The only time you don't stick with that concept is if there's a reason for a character to be malformed or twisted. The default for our human art is conceptual perfection, not the norm for what our society's people look like. MtG has ugly people only when there's a good reason for them to be ugly.
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